Syncro Shuttle vs HST

[Scottybdiving]

I just noticed your location. You can go see John, tell him Ted sent you over. He will treat you right before and after. I purchased mine from him, my neighbor did too. Couple other guys on here also use them.

That's good to hear and it would be very convenient. I could literally drive the tractor there, but I won't.

 

[brs78660]

That's good to hear and it would be very convenient. I could literally drive the tractor there, but I won't.

Don't buy an LS unless you want it in the shop more than you use it. Just saying. Check out my YouTube channel about all the issues I have had with mine. If you want that model, go see a New Holland Dealer and tell them to price it closer to an LS. You will thank me after a few hundred hours on it.

 

[Beeenvenue]

Can’t imagine life without an hst. For tilling in my heavy clay soils I am constantly varying speed to accommodate changing conditions. For shredding I do the same as I hit high/thick patches and bog down, also for my continuously changing slopes (0-25 degrees in short distances, need to slow down to take slope then speed up again and repeat). Finally I cannot imagine loader work in a single gear as I am changing speeds continuously as I approach, load, curl, reverse, reload, etc. Life is just so much easier with hst (and I have cruise but my land insulated so much I cannot use it so that advantage of a shuttle wouldn’t be usable either)

 

[Avenger]

Can’t imagine life without an hst. For tilling in my heavy clay soils I am constantly varying speed to accommodate changing conditions. For shredding I do the same as I hit high/thick patches and bog down, also for my continuously changing slopes (0-25 degrees in short distances, need to slow down to take slope then speed up again and repeat). Finally I cannot imagine loader work in a single gear as I am changing speeds continuously as I approach, load, curl, reverse, reload, etc. Life is just so much easier with hst (and I have cruise but my land insulated so much I cannot use it so that advantage of a shuttle wouldn’t be usable either)

You are not wrong. It is easy to change speed to adjust for changing conditions with a HST. But, its not hard to do the same in a gear tractor.

 

[mred2]

As stated, HST or shuttle is up to the person and the controls on the tractor. I really like a power shuttle, but not offered in lower HP range.
And I like my LS and my dealer. No problems with either. Can we expect to see not to buy LS on every tractor thread? I understand there can be lemons in all tractors, trucks, etc. But enough, please. Most people like their LS tractor.

 

[ptsg]

As stated, HST or shuttle is up to the person and the controls on the tractor. I really like a power shuttle, but not offered in lower HP range.
And I like my LS and my dealer. No problems with either. Can we expect to see not to buy LS on every tractor thread? I understand there can be lemons in all tractors, trucks, etc. But enough, please. Most people like their LS tractor.

I agree with your mred2. Not point on bash a brand just because one got a lemon tractor. It happens to all brands really.

LS have been doing very well here in Portugal. I see loads of LS tractors all over the country and trust me, tractors here are used hard in farming with ground engagement tasks or in land clearing with brush mowers fitted with chains instead of blades. If they didn't do well, they would have been long gone.

The main tractors I see are the LS R28i, R36, R41 and a few R50. All European models fitted with Mitsubishi engines and no emissions control on these. From 2020 and on it will need emissions though. All geared tractors, no HST. It's very rare for someone here to benefit from HST, due to the HP loss, relatively high maintenance costs, ground engagement tasks and few more reasons.

 

[3Lfarms]

Ptsg, I would enjoy seeing some pics of the European model LS tractors. The website is only setup to allow us in the US to see what is offered here.

European tractors often have better features and implements than what we can get here. For instance, I would love to have a three point hitch on my tractor with a front mounted flail mower.

Oh, and I agree with you about one person crapping up every thread with “don’t ever buy an LS because mine was a lemon”. We got it, you don’t like your tractor. You have a whole thread devoted to it.

 

[ptsg]

Ptsg, I would enjoy seeing some pics of the European model LS tractors. The website is only setup to allow us in the US to see what is offered here.

European tractors often have better features and implements than what we can get here. For instance, I would love to have a three point hitch on my tractor with a front mounted flail mower.

Oh, and I agree with you about one person crapping up every thread with 電on稚 ever buy an LS because mine was a lemon? We got it, you don稚 like your tractor. You have a whole thread devoted to it.

I was trying to give you the link for the Portuguese LS importer but they don't have the English version working quite right, so I'll give your the German one. LS Traktor | Die offizielle Website von LS – Jetzt Ihren Traktor konfigurieren

The main difference between Germany and Portugal, is that we get the Orchard or Vineyard version which consists on a slightly narrow stance and mainly the mid mounted ROPS that folds over the hood making the steering wheel (usually) highest point, therefore making the height of the tractor much lower to go under the branches. Also in Germany, HST is a bit more common than Portugal. In Portugal, I would need to special order an HST model if I really wanted, with a much higher price.

The front 3 pt hitch plus PTO is pretty nice to have. In my opinion, it's a much superior system than the Kubota and JD proprietary ones. The 3 pt implements are much cheaper and there are a lot more variety of implements. The Kubota and JD ones are often crazy expensive, prone to failure and lots of play with usage and one is usually limited to the implements they offer.

Look at this nice setup. Couldn't find an LS picture but it's just to show the concept. Front finish mower and a collector system in the back with dumping feature. Also note the new R14 tires that have been used for sometime in Europe, mostly by municipalities.

 

[RickB]

Don't buy an LS unless you want it in the shop more than you use it. Just saying. Check out my YouTube channel about all the issues I have had with mine. If you want that model, go see a New Holland Dealer and tell them to price it closer to an LS. You will thank me after a few hundred hours on it.

Do you think LS magically builds tractors of higher quality when they apply NH decals to them?

 

[brs78660]

Do you think LS magically builds tractors of higher quality when they apply NH decals to them?

Yes. Its called the New Holland Dealer network VS the LS Tractor USA dealer network.

Its the difference between a certified technician with years of experience and resources at their fingertips and 20 work bays working on your tractor VS a lawnmower guy in a shed and a set of harbor freight tools.

So yes, that sticker means so much that it probably is magic.

 

[RickB]

Yes. Its called the New Holland Dealer network VS the LS Tractor USA dealer network.

Its the difference between a certified technician with years of experience and resources at their fingertips and 20 work bays working on your tractor VS a lawnmower guy in a shed and a set of harbor freight tools.

So yes, that sticker means so much that it probably is magic.

All LS built tractors will have the same shortcomings no matter what decal is on the hood.
It isn’t the tractor’s fault if you choose a substandard dealer just to save a few bucks on the front end. For every tractor brand there enough sorry dealers to go around.
When NH crawled in bed with LS I remember getting parts for a Workmaster from an LS dealer 200 miles away so we could get a customer up and running as NH had not planned ahead for the parts demand.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Yes. Its called the New Holland Dealer network VS the LS Tractor USA dealer network.

Its the difference between a certified technician with years of experience and resources at their fingertips and 20 work bays working on your tractor VS a lawnmower guy in a shed and a set of harbor freight tools.

So yes, that sticker means so much that it probably is magic.

You would laugh at the NH dealer out here... 1 bay, 1 mechanic, 1 counter person. I called them once to get hydraulic and oil filters from them... they said they had them... drove 55 miles to get there.... they told me they could not find them.... I laughed and left. Called my LS dealer and had them in 4 days.

Both the LS dealers that I have purchased from were at least 3 times the size, one just built that 20 bay shop you talk of....

It can vary from region to region, dealer to dealer. I am still waiting on a quote for a new tractor from a dealer in Arizona... after making 3 calls to him over a weeks time. That was over a year ago already.... I guess he does not want to sell tractors, or he sells so many that he does not need my business...

 

[brs78660]

You would laugh at the NH dealer out here... 1 bay, 1 mechanic, 1 counter person. I called them once to get hydraulic and oil filters from them... they said they had them... drove 55 miles to get there.... they told me they could not find them.... I laughed and left. Called my LS dealer and had them in 4 days.

Both the LS dealers that I have purchased from were at least 3 times the size, one just built that 20 bay shop you talk of....

It can vary from region to region, dealer to dealer. I am still waiting on a quote for a new tractor from a dealer in Arizona... after making 3 calls to him over a weeks time. That was over a year ago already.... I guess he does not want to sell tractors, or he sells so many that he does not need my business...

Really? That is good to know. There are 2 New Holland dealers here in the Austin area by me and they are both very large. The LS dealers I have been to are not much more than a shed with 1 poor tech sweating to death.

It actually good to know that maybe the LS dealers elsewhere could be more than tiny mower places.

Of course LS will not even talk to me, so the only thing I see in LS corporate is unanswered calls and emails.

I did email my dealer again today and we will see where this goes. Its weird, but dealers seem to be OK with not doing a good job if its just behind the door talk, but once someone tells others about their experiences you can get all kind of different responses from them. :laughing:

I guess I will see and let everyone know how it goes.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Really? That is good to know. There are 2 New Holland dealers here in the Austin area by me and they are both very large. The LS dealers I have been to are not much more than a shed with 1 poor tech sweating to death.

It actually good to know that maybe the LS dealers elsewhere could be more than tiny mower places.

Of course LS will not even talk to me, so the only thing I see in LS corporate is unanswered calls and emails.

I did email my dealer again today and we will see where this goes. Its weird, but dealers seem to be OK with not doing a good job if its just behind the door talk, but once someone tells others about their experiences you can get all kind of different responses from them. :laughing:

I guess I will see and let everyone know how it goes.

I sure hope that you are able to resolve this. You are taking the right approach, see if the dealer can take care of it. I am not sure if the regional LS rep has gotten involved, maybe that could be your next step. LS corporate (as any other large Corp) will want this handled by the field reps. Hopefully you will make some progress.

 

[mred2]

Funny, my dealer only has 2 bays, 2 salesman, 1 finance guy, 1 other office person and 2 full time mechanics. Has no problems getting things done. Good vs Bad is not always the size. Some time you need to research the dealer as much as the tractor.

 

[Avenger]

This issue seriously need to be its own thread. I thought this thread was shuttle vs hst, not arguing over dealer size or brand issues. FFS

 

[3gunr]

got my first hst 3 yrs ago and love it i have bad knees and my shuttle was becoming a pain.My buddy has similer issues and i talked him into the xr4140 hst. he has 60 or so hrs on it already this yr and thanks me all the time. I do agree if i was doing lots of plowing or heavy disking the shuttle would be better.

 

[mred2]

Sorry for my posts, Avenger is right. Stick to the topic. I still love my shuttle, wish it was power shutter. For most of my use, I need the HP. I might have liked to go to the XU series to get the power shuttle (58hp utility). No HST in that group. But no need to clutch.

 

[brs78660]

My frustration with LS aside, I would always look to get the HST over shuttle UNLESS its power shuttle. Most HST tractors only go up so high in HP, but that is slowly changing. My New Holland backhoe is power shuttle with torque converter and its awesome. I like it more than HST.

If I have to clutch for the shuttle, then I am out.