Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch

   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #11  
How would dirt in the fibers of synthetic rope affect life? I have read that is a concern for tow ropes like yankem after being in mud. May or may not be mud involved in log skidding but could certainly visualize the rope being drug on ground when pulling rope out by hand to hook the next log.
 
   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #12  
Then there is cost if you are going to use 200 feet of synthetic winch line there is cost... At maybe $1 to $2 a foot (+/-) its going to be a bit expensive, and probably special order...
 
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   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #13  
How would dirt in the fibers of synthetic rope affect life? I have read that is a concern for tow ropes like yankem after being in mud. May or may not be mud involved in log skidding but could certainly visualize the rope being drug on ground when pulling rope out by hand to hook the next log.
The other disadvantage for syn rope is you must keep it out of the sunlight-UV rays will weaken it over the years. I have a cover for my winch so no worries for me.


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I also have the Jeep with a 10K winch and steel cable. Even after 50’ the cable gets “unruly”.

I think on a garaged truck for typical use syn rope is a great choice, especially on pay-out and ease of pay-in.

On a tractor used in logging across the ground, cable might be better.
 
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   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #14  
I run synthetic on the winch on the chipper, love it for that application. I run steel on the Farmi , the rocks and abuse that goes through would lead to a short lifespan but I have been tempted, let us know how it goes.
 
   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #15  
I was thinking of replacing the steel line on the Warn winch on my Power Wagon. I seldom use it but once a year I stretch it out - clean it - and lube. Synthetic would not require this.

Then I check the price on Spectra. Wholly Carp - $705 for 100 feet. I'll keep my steel line and be loving it.
 
   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #17  
I was thinking of replacing the steel line on the Warn winch on my Power Wagon. I seldom use it but once a year I stretch it out - clean it - and lube. Synthetic would not require this.

Then I check the price on Spectra. Wholly Carp - $705 for 100 feet. I'll keep my steel line and be loving it.
You can buy it much cheaper from others.
 
   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #18  
I didn't realize synthetic rope was made from so many different types of material.

The stuff I was looking at had a core of Spectra, for strength, and an outer sheath of Dyneema for wear/abrasion resistance.

The extremely wide price variance make one wonder.

I know exactly what my 3/8 inch steel winch line will do. The synthetic stuff would probably work OK also. I just wouldn't want to be alone in some remote area and have to put all my beans on plastic rope.

When we lived in Alaska - we went to places so remote, not even God had ever been there. My fond memories of AK. Wilderness adventures with the Top 'O the World - 4WD club.
 
   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #19  
I didn't realize synthetic rope was made from so many different types of material
It's really not made of that many different types of material. Spectra and Dyneema pretty much dominate the market. There are many other line types (nylon, polyester, vectran, and single braid vs. double braid), but the only ones really used in winching are spectra and dyneema single braids.

As a life-long sailor, and owning some racing sailboats, I've probably bought 100 times (or 1000 times?) more of this stuff than anyone who's ever putting it on a winch. I have quite literally "boat loads" of the stuff.

It's amazing, it's strong, but it has two weaknesses:

1. UV exposure, so keep your winch covered, as Hay Dude already mentioned.
2. Abrasion resistance.

The stuff I was looking at had a core of Spectra, for strength, and an outer sheath of Dyneema for wear/abrasion resistance.

A dyneema sheeth over spectra would be both uncommon and expensive, at least for sailing applications. We usually see polyester sheathing over either dyneema or spectra, standard "double braid" control line stuff. But most winch applications just use single braid (un-sheathed), such as Amsteel Blue, which is just Samson Rope's brand name for their Dyneema single-braid.

The sheath adds basically zero strength, so no point in using high-dollar fiber for that, it's really just there to make handling easier, and provide some protection to the high-dollar single-braid hiding inside. Try pulling hard on 1/4" single-braid dyneema for 3 hours during a race, and you'll see why they put a braided sheath over the stuff, to give it better grip and more comfortable diameter. None of that matters for winch line, so the sheath is usually skipped, but maybe it shouldn't be when using the line for skidding logs.

I have decades of experience using this stuff for halyards, sheets, and control lines on sailing yachts, but I'm still with old-skool steel cable for my log skidding winch. I suppose you could make most of your winch line out of single braid Dyneema, and then just eye-splice it to something like 20 feet of steel cable at the end, as that's where most abrasion occurs. You don't necessarily need to be all in one camp or the other, especially if you take a little care with turning blocks (snatch blocks) wherever the line needs to go around a tree, etc.

If you do end up going with a sheath, I'd look for one with high wear-resistance and low cost. which may be polyester. It's pretty easy to replace your own sheath, if you learn to splice line (not difficult), so you could in theory re-sheath your expensive Amsteel Blue single braid every few years, and make the stuff last decades. That would also solve the UV problem, as the Dyneema wouldn't see much sunlight if buried inside a polyester sheath.
 
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   / Synthetic Winch Rope for Forestry Winch #20  
The "abrasion resistant" stuff is no more than that. A little resistant. If you're not ever going to use it, then UV stabilized is a plus. I don't worry about that and go with a low cost straps and replace them every two years. In this photo the poly strap is black and attached near the springs bottom.
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