The Best Dirt Moving Attachment - FOUND

JGibson · Feb 1, 2005

Hoelscher Inc. is planning on up-sizing their scrapers to a 2 and 3 cy. And the Apron can be put on the older units that have been sold.

As far as rental companies having our units, we can't get the rental places to buy. They say there is not a market for them and plus they would have to get a compact tractor to go with the scraper. Maybe it would take you guys going to them (the rental co.) and saying, "Hey look at this! I would rent one of these if you had one!" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Then maybe they would get the idea!

www.hoelscherinc.com

have_blue · Feb 2, 2005

Wouldn't the need for rear remotes be a factor in the rental places reluctance to buy? Among me and several of my neighbors who have CUT's, none of us have remotes. However, the scraper would be a good excuse to get them. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rswyan · Feb 3, 2005

( As far as rental companies having our units, we can't get the rental places to buy. They say there is not a market for them )

JG,

Couple of things come to mind on how to possibly overcome this barrier.

First, obtain and put together the data for the rental yards on CUT sales - this data is probably available somewhere, possibly even by state or even a smaller area. When I was running a chain of auto parts stores we were able to get very detailed vehical registration data for just our county for about $1000 from R.L. Polk - I think they used the VIN to derive alot of detailed info (like how many 1976 Pontiac Trans Am's with a 400, dual exhaust, and manual tranny but without A/C there were in the county) This really helped to customize our parts inventory so that it was specific to our exact area. I'm sure there is something similar somewhere but it wouldn't have to be quite as detailed. Then let the rental yards know how many CUTs are out there are in their neighborhood.

Second, come up with some sort of financing for the rental yards to floorplan the equipment. Working with a bank, you might be able to make it easier for them to obtain the equipment.

( and plus they would have to get a compact tractor to go with the scraper. )

Third, explain to them that there is nothing that prevents them from buying a CUT and then renting that too ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

( Maybe it would take you guys going to them (the rental co.) and saying, "Hey look at this! I would rent one of these if you had one!" Then maybe they would get the idea! )

Happy to do my part in this - next time in I'll mention it. If you don't already have it on your website you should have some electronic brouchures available (Adobe Acrobat PDF format) for each piece of equipment you sell so that people that are interested can download and print out.

bucmeister · Sep 24, 2006

ScottAR,

Did you ever get by the Durabilt plant? Curious about what eventually transpired in this thread since I see most of the posting was back in early '05. I am looking for a unit of the type being discussed here to pull behind my JD5300 4WD. Trying to decide between a 1.5 or a 3.0 yd Durabilt and wondering how well the 5300 will hold up to the weight of the 3 yd. If, as others have opined, the first 80% of the capacity is easy to acheive then it would seem the 3 yd would take on ~2.5 yds very easily and not put to much load on the rear end.

ScottAR · Sep 24, 2006

I havn't made it yet... I have been to that town for work but I didn't see anything. I did find some of their products at a dealer in another town recently, but no pans.

bucmeister · Sep 24, 2006

Thanks for the reply. Was just hoping that maybe you had made it over there want to talk to someone that has or at least has used one of the Durabilt units. Was given a price of 2750 for the 1.5 yd and 3750 for the 3 yd last week. Most likely will give the company a call this week to get feedback on how well my 5300 would handle the 3 yd. Hate to waste a lot of extra trips given the cost of diesel, but repairs from over stressing the tractor could cost more than fuel and a thou will buy a good bit of extra fuel.

schmism · Sep 24, 2006

if you ask me its relitive.

so you can cut an 1" over 4 feet with the smaller one... or a 3/4" over 5'.

with one you cut less material but can do it quicker, but have to make more trips.
with the other you can cut more material, but slower, but dont have to make as many trips.

id say in the end, either unit would ballance out if your on the line inbetween the two with tractor size.

have_blue · Sep 25, 2006

schmism said:
if you ask me its relitive.

so you can cut an 1" over 4 feet with the smaller one... or a 3/4" over 5'.

with one you cut less material but can do it quicker, but have to make more trips.
with the other you can cut more material, but slower, but dont have to make as many trips.

id say in the end, either unit would ballance out if your on the line inbetween the two with tractor size.

Having pulled a scraper for about 120 hours, I think you're on to something.

For transporting loose dirt and building up a grade, the wider units are better. For digging out undisturbed dirt, width is a major handicap. Weight/capacity is not a problem. Even a small tractor can easily haul 3 yards of dirt. The devil is in pulling the blade. If you're even a little underpowered, a scraper will destroy your tractor. For digging, you would ideally need a short blade and a high capacity hopper.

This scraper has a 6ft blade and holds ~2.5yd of dirt. The 125hp Kubota can barely pull it. Once filled, I can't even feel it back there.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/bobad/Picture011-1.jpg

bucmeister · Sep 25, 2006

Have_Blue,

With a unit like you are using it is true that most any tractor can handle the weight because the front and rear wheels carry it all, however with a unit that only has rear wheels, such as the Hoelscher, Durabilt, and a Holly I saw the tractor has to be able to handle about half of the total load. My JD5300 3 ph is rated at 3374# per the manual and I forgot to look at the hitch rating which being about 2' closer to the axle should be somewhat higher.

If I have guessed correctly, 3 yds of dirt @~2500 lbs per plus ~1600 lbs for the pan would give me ~9100 lbs to transport yeilding about 4550 lbs on the 3 ph meaning it (3 yds) might be an issue for long term wear and tear. Don't want a broken axle or housing from an unfortunate bounce or jounce while moving a load. But then maybe I have misfigured something.

bucmeister · Sep 25, 2006

Thinking on this weight on the tractor issue something came to mind and that is that the distance from the load has bearing on the carried load. Look at how a wheelbarrow works. Not sure how to figure the actual weight distribution, but on most of the units I have seen the load is from about just in front of the midline back if you look at where the 3 ph is and the rear wheels are the front of the bucket is just to the tractor side of the midway point. I hope this makes sense once it is posted.