The NEW TC55 with a cab.

[Kendall69]

I just left the HUGE Ag show in northern Cal. They have 100, 000 people attend, I think they were all there today.
World Ag Expo
The guys at the New Holland booth explained the design for the new TC55 with a cab. A beefier version of the current cab line. 3K lift at the bucket, air conditioning, etc. No HST. Much bigger front and read tires, just overall a stout machine.

Available in June, but supposedly you can talk to the dealers about them now.

A side note on the show:
I went there looking at three modes Kubota New Holland, John Deere. I’m not sure if it was good or bad, but I sat and visited with the New Holland first TC45DA. My goodness what a good looking machine, the cab felt HUGE, I’m 6ft, 240 and it felt comfortable and easy to get in and out of. The view from the cab was amazing, you can see the bucket from the sitting position. The seat and steering wheel adjust in many many positions.

Then I went to Kubota ( I own a Kubota) I asked them if they make a cab with a backhoe, their answer was “no” I said “goodbye”

Now onto John Deere. The cab felt cramped, and difficult to get in and out of for a guy my size. They did not have the skylight built into the cab roof, like the New Holland which made me feel closed in. Besides not being able to see the bucket when it is raised.

For me the New Holland wins hands down. The feeling with all the sales people: New Holland spend almost an hour with me and brought over the tractor design Egineer. I had a question about the bradco trencher, hey went over to Braco’s booth to straighten it out. Kubota, I didn’t spend two minuted there. The John Deere guys, couldn’t answer a simple question after looking for five minutes on how much lift the bucket had. I said thanks, I’ll look it up on the web.

 

[TCowner]

I looked at the cab on the TC45DA a few weeks ago. I thought it was a pretty nice cab though I was disappointed in the lack of a seal around the hdyro foot control pedals. There is a 3-4" gap around each pedal. I don't suppose there is a huge air leak but a $6000 cab should be tighter than that.

 

[Roto]

I was looking at a tc55da yesterday and i think im going to get one. The big selling point is that they offer 2.9% financing for 8 years on that tractor. Statred 3 days ago or so. that ends in May i think. I dont need a cab but now im wondering if I should wait till the new ones. Bigger tires? more lift capacity? what else they change? I need the 2.9 for 8 years to make the deal so i cant chance waiting i dont think. the dealer said he would order me a brand new one from factory since theirs had Ag tires and I want R4.

mike

 

[Kendall69]

TCowner I agree it’s a HUGE dilemma about the gaps ( I didn’t look that close ), even NH agrees Deere has the best sealed cab out there, and when the Deere guy shut the door, it closed like a VW, where the air pressure kicked the door back out. With only three choices Kubota’s out for no cab and backhoe, the Deere was way too tight for me. Sure would be a pain to get a new cab model and have to add 20 lbs. of caulking.

Roto from what I understand the 55da is the one you can buy today, they are only changing to add a cab, from what I understand, because they had one at the show and you could do a side by side and 55 was just so much more machine. Better frame, tires ( front tires are the larger r4 skid tires). So if it’s a 55, and you don’t want a cab, you can get one now. For me I NEED a cab because it’s 120 plus here in the desert,so I have to wait.
Sitting in and looking at the 45 with HST ( the 55 will not have that) it still making me ponder - but the greater lift capacity is a huge one for me. I’m tired of getting into situations where my tractor just doesn’t the lift capacity ( I'm at 1600lbs now, and with a 700lb grappler, you can see my problem.

I almost went to a skid steer, but the lift on the NH next to biggest was only 2500 lbs. And I just don’t like being enclosed in a capsule in the skid steer.

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

...The guys at the New Holland booth explained the design for the new TC55 with a cab. A beefier version of the current cab line. 3K lift at the bucket, air conditioning, etc. No HST. Much bigger front and read tires, just overall a stout machine....Then I went to Kubota ( I own a Kubota) I asked them if they make a cab with a backhoe, their answer was “no” I said “goodbye”...Now onto John Deere. The cab felt cramped, and difficult to get in and out of for a guy my size. They did not have the skylight built into the cab roof, like the New Holland which made me feel closed in. Besides not being able to see the bucket when it is raised....For me the New Holland wins hands down....

Kendall69..
Hey, thanks for vote of confidence for the NH! I think they are little pre-mature about a June delivery on the cab TC55DA, have to believe that when I see it. I would expect more like Nov, Dec this year.

Now lets talk about the TC45DA with cab for a second. We just received our first one here at the dealership 3 days ago and I agree that the cab is simply outstanding!! Much more room than it appeared to have in the literature. Nice cloth seat and suspended brake pedals. As far as the mention here about the "gaps" by the hydro pedals, look at the pictures I have attached. The gap is very small and the pedal shaft is surrounded by thick foam rubber that "grips" to the pedal as it travels within the slot. Certainly not anything to cancel a buying decision about. The positive pressure in the cab will more than make up for any loose you might feel there and will keep the outside air from coming in from the pressure difference.

I think NH really did their homework this time and made every effort to make sure that this cab beats the current competition's offerings in all areas. The seat is comfortable and warm, the line of site and amount of clear glass space is tremendous. The controls and gauges and even the AC controls are all within easy reach and best of all....it has that "new car smell"... . The front "sun roof glass" is awesome also! Very Sweet tractor in all aspects!

See more of the pictures attached for a detailed view inside the cab of these awesome compacts. This one wont stay on the lot long, gaurenteed!

Thanks,
Larry

 

[rvaitor]

A side note on the show:
I went there looking at three modes Kubota New Holland, John Deere. I’m not sure if it was good or bad, but I sat and visited with the New Holland first TC45DA. .

I bought a Kioti DK55Cab last year. Had a Mahindra 6000 prior to that and thought I'd try a Cab. If you haven't looked at Kioti you might take a look. I am new to all this but the cab sure seems tight to me and after doing my first service I was really impressed with how accessible everything is. Also they do have a Backhoe option.

Don't want to get into a brand scuffle just thought I would toss this option out there.

 

[FULLPULL]

I just bought a TC55DA 270tl loader just before the first of the year .I would have liked the option of the cab and a better rate for the finanace.I like it! Its alot more tractor than my 40d i traded in.The hydro was nice but ehss is smooth and i have alot more usable power 12 gears with three ranges I can find the right power band and speed to match the working conditions.Plus i have 15 more hp and added weight.I only have 7 hrs on it and i will know more this spring about the change between the 40d hydro and the ehss on the 55.The 40 was great but i wanted more hp and more lift at the fel and lift arms .I would buy either tractor again .I think its cheaper to buy hp upfront then trade up later.But they had no 55da when i bought my 40 it hit the market three months later.Good luck

 

[Kendall69]

Larry, that's what the NH engineer also said, they are selling all the 45's they can make, and can't keep them in stock. For me it was great sitting in one tractor then five minuted later sitting in another brand.

I actually went back to the NH booth and told the engineer I was talking to he UNDERSOLD me on the NH. I then gave him my feed back on the others as I had just left them. I can’t emphasize enough how cramped the JD felt, and how clumsy I felt getting in and out of the cab. Also the NH had a read WIDE door on the right hand side so you can exit left or right, the JD, only has an escape hatch - funny I also though their main door was an escape hatch

Also Larry, can customers start placing orders for the 55 cab?? That’s what they said I could do??

rvaitor, from experience, here in my part of the country, if I mentioned any other brand, other than the three favorites, their eye's would glaze over with the compulsorily HUH!!!! For my big delivery truck I have Hino and had Iveco, and I am from another planet when I call for parts and service.

 

[IH3444]

Oh Criippers Now you got me excited about it. Pictures needed

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

Larry, that's what the NH engineer also said, they are selling all the 45's they can make, and can't keep them in stock.....funny I also though their main door was an escape hatch

Also Larry, can customers start placing orders for the 55 cab?? That’s what they said I could do??

Kendall69,
I have not been informed yet that I can place orders for the TC55 with cab. If you recall, I mentioned earlier that the TC55DA will get a new model designation later this year and there is also word of a new similar frame model in a 60HP unit! I think the guy at the show didnt want to look goofy in telling you that the model is not available to the public yet. Probably afraid you would go elsewhere maybe. Then again, I could get a dealer email this afternoon letting me know that I can order TC55's with cabs...just cant tell until they tell me....sorry.

Did you look at the attached pictures in regards to the supposed "gapping hole" by the hydro pedals in the TC45DA cab unit? I dont see the 3 to 4" that was being referred to as the stem of the hydro pedal takes up half the opening as it is. I hope the pictures help clarify it before everyone thinks a big downer for the cab.

So, what address do you want me to ship my TC45DA 4WD HST Cab Loader to?

Thanks,
Larry

 

[Kendall69]

Did you look at the attached pictures in regards to the supposed "gapping hole" by the hydro pedals

The “gap” is a non issue for me, knowing no makes a perfect tracor. There are so many positive things about the 55 that they far outweigh the gap.

FYI, the Engineer did say that they will be moving the pedals to give more room to exit, the tractor on the left side.

What a Moron I was for not taking side by side pictures. I would love to see today what I was looking at yesterday, even the bucket was HUGE and has welded in eyelets for turn buckles, rather than welded hooks.

To my defense it was rainy and miserable, and coming from the Desert, it was a freezing 55 degrees, so I couldn’t take my hands out of my pockets

Also the NH booth was the busiest booth of the three at the show when I was there.

 

[TCowner]

Larry, I never mentioned the "gaping" holes you refer to. I simply stated an observation. The pre-delivery plastic that is wrapped around pedals actually hides the gap a bit. But again, I thought it was a nice cab. I just find it hard to believe that the NH engineers couldn't have designed an enclosure below the pedals that would seal better. The AC/heater blower may cause enough positive pressure to minimize any draft. But for $6000 there shouldn't be any gaps. NH has fantastic cabs on their larger AG tractors and they are quite tight with respect to air leaks. I think they could have done a better job in just this one area.

I'm going out on a limb here and predict that they fix it within a year.

 

[FULLPULL]

Kendall did they say the tractor would be have a whole make over like the front hood ?Are they going to have hst tranny ? Or is this just for the tc55 with cab ?

 

[BTDT]

Interesting report. Thanks for the info. You would think that every effort would be made to take care of details like that, but who knows what they think in R&D.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Larry, I never mentioned the "gaping" holes you refer to. I simply stated an observation. The pre-delivery plastic that is wrapped around pedals actually hides the gap a bit. But again, I thought it was a nice cab. I just find it hard to believe that the NH engineers couldn't have designed an enclosure below the pedals that would seal better. The AC/heater blower may cause enough positive pressure to minimize any draft. But for $6000 there shouldn't be any gaps. NH has fantastic cabs on their larger AG tractors and they are quite tight with respect to air leaks. I think they could have done a better job in just this one area.

I'm going out on a limb here and predict that they fix it within a year.

All NH cabs and all cabs in general have gaps like this. The only way to remove any gap is to make everything controlled by electric so all you have is little wire harnesses running thru. NH is good at hiding them under plastic and such so you don't notice them but they are there.

How would you remove this gap and still allow the pedal to function properly. Remember, this item has to hold up over time also so it has to be able to take abuse from cold, heat, sand, snow, ice, water, wind, vibration and shock loads and anything else you can think of. Oh yeah, you have to keep the price down also.

I am not trying to argue but to just bring up a point. It is impossible to make these things completely air tight and still have them half way affordable. I know how it can be done but it is not easy and cheap and you have a lot more areas that can break down. If you look close enough at any cab on the market you will find gaps like this if not bigger hidden under plastic shrouds so they are hard to see.

A cab is designed to keep the elements out and keep you comfortable while doing so.

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

All NH cabs and all cabs in general have gaps like this...How would you remove this gap and still allow the pedal to function properly....I am not trying to argue but to just bring up a point. It is impossible to make these things completely air tight and still have them half way affordable....If you look close enough at any cab on the market you will find gaps like this if not bigger hidden under plastic shrouds so they are hard to see....A cab is designed to keep the elements out and keep you comfortable while doing so.

Robert,
Thanks for offering some "defense" on the cab issue. Its human nature to want to tear something apart and that only tells me that person is actually interested in owning one and is beginning the objection process.
Its all part of reasoning and reassuring yourself that you got the best deal even though you found "flaws" with the product along the way that you could use as bargaining tools even though you know they are not going to be an issue down the road during operation.

Let's face it, this is a tractor, not something you drive to work 50 miles every day. (although I know some that would probably want to! ) And for a tractor, its pretty darn nice and comfortable. Think back just 50 years ago or so at the quality and comfort available then. Come on, no power steering, a STEEL seat with no padding, PTO's running brush hogs that would push you into the street at the end of the field if you weren't careful...think how this tractor looks to those farmers. Its a slice of heaven on wheels. Heck, some of the larger series like the TM & TG's even drive themselves now with GPS guidence systems! How much longer before you do it all from your kitchen table with a laptop and a joystick?

Either way, people are allowed to have their opinion and are certainly allowed to let every else know what that opinion is. As for me, my opinion is I love this tractor and I am proud to represent it!

Thanks,
Larry

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Hi Larry, my post wasn't meant to come to anyones defense really. It was meant to help people understand the purpose of a cab on a tractor. Cabs have come a long way though from the original soundgard cabs (that was a stupid design) to the new current clear view cabs. Heck, the old Hiniker cabs were nice back in their day but there is no way I would want to work in one all day long now. Who knows, maybe in 10-20 years we will see cabs that float above the tractor so you don't feel any shock or vibrations and have no holes for the elements to get thru. You just sit in the bubble as the tractor does all the work the computer tells him. And if you don't want to stick around you just float the bubble back home and leave the tractor to finish the job on its own ;-) Have fun up there.

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

Hi Larry, my post wasn't meant to come to anyones defense really. It was meant to help people understand the purpose of a cab on a tractor. Cabs have come a long way though from the original soundgard cabs (that was a stupid design) to the new current clear view cabs. Heck, the old Hiniker cabs were nice back in their day but there is no way I would want to work in one all day long now. Who knows, maybe in 10-20 years we will see cabs that float above the tractor so you don't feel any shock or vibrations and have no holes for the elements to get thru. You just sit in the bubble as the tractor does all the work the computer tells him. And if you don't want to stick around you just float the bubble back home and leave the tractor to finish the job on its own ;-) Have fun up there.

Robert,
I was hoping you wouldn't think that I thought you were defending anyone, that's why I put it in quotes. I was more agreeing with you on the point of a cab in its simplist form and function.

You know, your vision of the future is not far off. NH's TerraGlide system on their larger tractors is already pretty close to a "bubble". It reacts to occilations of the axle and reacts to counter the frame and cab movement and really smooths out the ride. Again, its the major manufactures trying to compete and make their tractor the most comfortable and innovative to operate. Have you ever seen the cab of TS tractor or the new combines? Its downright futuristic! All that power and control within fingertip reach.

You know my grandfather was a farmer (so was almost everybody elses ) and I spent many summers on the farm. All the hard work picking and stacking bales, picking rocks (by hand!), riding the cabbage planter, cleaning the stalls and pens and so on gave me a pretty good feeling at the time (12 years old) that I did not want to be a farmer.

I would definitely consider differently now with all the new "toys" available on the market that really make it bearable to plow a field all day or drive the automatic baler stacker, or even sit back and let the tractor drive itself as it plants to within 1" accuracy in row changes using GPS!

Not to say that the days aren't long and the work is'nt still back breaking, I just think the tractor comunity has more tech gadgets availalbe to them then the general public realizes. It is thier input that steers the direction and vision of the majors and it only gets better everyday to the point that even the sundowner can afford to run the best!

Thanks Again Robert,
Larry

 

[jinman]

How would you remove this gap and still allow the pedal to function properly. Remember, this item has to hold up over time also so it has to be able to take abuse from cold, heat, sand, snow, ice, water, wind, vibration and shock loads and anything else you can think of. Oh yeah, you have to keep the price down also.

Robert, I would suggest that anyone who wants to seal this gap could do it easily with something similar to a gearshift boot in a sports car. If it is that important that you seal all the gaps (rodents or spiders setting up housekeeping in your cab) then it could be done. I don't think the gap is that much of an issue (only an observation, actually), but I don't altogether disagree with TCowner about the likelyhood of it being changed in the future.

How about that tiny windshield washer reservoir? Why didn't they put that somewhere inside the cab? Waaa! Waaa!

And Larry...that is one spiffy cab in my book. Thanks for giving us the photo preview. I don't think you'll have that tractor long enough to even have to wipe the dust off of it. You have a very nice product there. You can send that cabbed TC45DA down here to Texas where I can give that cab a real workout around my tree limbs. Just kiddin'...I would love to have a cab, but my tractor use would surely bust it within a week. I'll just have to vicariously enjoy the cabs through the folks who end up talking about them here.


Other things I noticed...Is that also a new emergency brake handle and a new directional signal stalk? I admit I have not looked closely at the last two year's tractor models, but I don't remember seeing those improvements.

 

[Kendall69]

Are they going to have hst tranny

FULLULL:
Now that’s interesting. When I mentioned that I needed HST to power a Bradco trencher so as not to burn up the clutch on a non HST tractor, one guy piped in with something to the affect of “wait”, while the other guy quickly gave him the evil eye for saying that. Now did he just let out a secret hmmmmmm.

Not a redesign as far as the tractor, just the cab and redesigning the pedals on the floor, from they spilled to me.

For me the fact that the 55 was a whole lot beefier ( frame tires engine lift height etc. ) that the 45 it’s a no brainer, but waiting till Spring or Fall is killing me.