The next guy that claims "green (or orange) paint doubles the price"

[dodge man]

I wonder how many people actually priced a JD before they dismissed them as being expensive. I was shocked at what I got into my 2025r for. I just assumed it was more than I wanted to spend. I was actually calling about a used tractor and the salesman said I would be surprised what I could get one for. I thought it was a gimmick to get me in the door but I ended up buying. This was pre pandemic prices though with discounts. I got mine with the accessories for a little over $20k out the door. I just went to the build your own on the JD website and if I did it correctly it looks like $30k now. I don’t know if they have any discounts now or not. I would not be a buyer at $30k.

 

[ovrszd]

I wonder how many people actually priced a JD before they dismissed them as being expensive. I was shocked at what I got into my 2025r for. I just assumed it was more than I wanted to spend. I was actually calling about a used tractor and the salesman said I would be surprised what I could get one for. I thought it was a gimmick to get me in the door but I ended up buying. This was pre pandemic prices though with discounts. I got mine with the accessories for a little over $20k out the door. I just went to the build your own on the JD website and if I did it correctly it looks like $30k now. I don’t know if they have any discounts now or not. I would not be a buyer at $30k.

It's usually 85% of the internet build price.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

JD and Kubota costing more than other brands may be true to a certain extent, but is also a stereotype.

In 2017-2018 I was in the market for a new tractor. I wanted a 75 HP, convertible, MFWD, loader tractor. So as we do in the times we live in I jump on the interwebz to start my research. Everything was saying that JD is too expensive so I wasn't even bothering to look at Deere. I liked Deere fine growing up and had some time on JD's, but I was bias to Fords. With that said I mean Furd and not NH. I liked the CIH look better than the new NH's and Fairfield Ford closed down many years back, and there's not really a close NH dealership to me. At the time CNH was offering models like the 60A and 70A which just looked lacking in features, weight, transmission, etc. I really liked the MF 2607H. It reminded me of your oldschool Fords like the 3930 and 4630 which I used to think were about the best machines in their class. The problem was I didn't like the prices I was being quoted for one. The cash price was fine, but the finance price was not to my liking. I looked at several places, and the best finance price I could get for a MF 2607H with MFWD, and a loader was $36,750. On my way back from a MF dealer I was feeling let down by the quote I'd just gotten I decided to stop by my local JD dealer which was on my way home. They quoted me $36,200 for a brand new 5075E, vert, MFWD, 520M, 12x12 powershuttle machine. This tractor was less money for a much nicer outfitted machine with the same weight as the Massey. I then decided to look at a new M7060, vert, MFWD, 12X12, loader tractor and was quoted $36,000 for it, with both dealers being much closer to me than the nearest MF dealer. The 5075E and M7060 seemed like more comparable machines than the 2607H. They both had wet clutches, 12x12 powershuttles, similar and better 3PH/loader ratings, 540/540E PTO's, flatter/larger operator stations, tilt steeringwheels, cup holders, fender mounted hand throttles, (underrated conveyance) etc that the MF didn't have. The MF did come standard with 2 rear remotes and the cat1/cat2 3PH combo is nice, as well as not having a regen like the Deere and Kubota have, but overall it felt like it should of been priced well below the Deere and Kubota for what it gave you.

I don't mind buying a simpler, more oldschool type machine that forgoes some niceties, but its price better reflect its value. If I could of got the 2607H financed for the cash price (I believe it was in the $32K range, or maybe a little less) then I might have gone with the Massey, but for a similar $ the JD and Kubota were the better values. BTW I liked the 2607H. It seemed like a good workhorse, but if I'm buying say a new Ford truck I'm not going to buy a XLT if a Lariat with the same cab and drivetrain configuration is going for the same price.

In my case the Deere and Kubota were not more expensive than other brands, they were in the same $ range, and they gave you more for the money. JMO or maybe it's not an option. I think sometimes your Tractor House prices and other online prices give certain manufacturers a bad reputation. Give your local dealers a look, and don't just negate a brand based on a cost stereotype.

 

[WinterDeere]

Or just use the huge savings to build a bigger garage door. Most of the competition has the folding ROPS standard.

So do Deere's. The poster you were quoting was referring to a 20 year old model.

 

[mo1]

You can get SSQA plates for the JD end loaders. For a person that has a lot of SSQA attachments, I understand the dislike for the JD system. For me, I have a set of forks and a bucket. The JD system is very simple and doesn’t add any weight to the end loader to reduce lift. For large machines or construction equipment not a big deal, they have large lift capacities but for smaller machines every little bit helps.

The other knock that I hear a lot about JD's QAs is that you can't find any attachments for them or that if you do, they are a lot more expensive than skid loader attachments. I have not found that to be true at all unless you are talking about JD's earliest QA they used on the 265 loader or trying to get something other than a bucket, grapple, or bale spears for the JD600-700 QA. JD100-400 and JD500 QA attachments are plentiful both new and used, and similar if not identical in price to skid loader QA stuff.

A cab with no AC in summer is tough

Yup, it's much hotter in a cabbed tractor with a broken A/C than it is on an open station tractor, even with all of the doors and windows open in that cab. And all cab A/Cs eventually fail and roast the operator. I've had that "privilege" more than once. When you are cooler throwing bales in the hay barn than you were in the cab, you start to question what good that tractor cab actually is...

It's usually 85% of the internet build price.

The dealer's price on a unit from the manufacturer depends some on the dealer but it's reportedly a little less than 80% of list. What they actually give you depends on multiple factors but 85% is typically a decent ballpark in a normal market, you might be able to get them sharpen their pencil if the unit is already sitting on the lot and you are a cash buyer. Best I did on a new unit was high 70%s of list, that unit had been sitting on their lot a while and I paid them cash, so I suspect they sold it for what they had in it or very close to it.

 

[nknelsen]

I had an orange tractor a few years back that was 50 years old and it needed an engine rebuild, new front wheel and tire, and few other items. Between used, aftermarket, and still available OEM parts I didn’t have any issues.

By the way, that orange tractor, was a WD Allis Chalmers!!

I grew up running an Allis Chalmers D14 gas tractor with a D20 loader if I remember correctly. It was a gas job and I don't remember anything going wrong with it other then the new clutch that we had to install.

Loader was strong enough to pick up a medium sized car like a Mustang or a Nova.

I plowed a tremendous amount of snow with that tractor.

Thanks for reminding me of it.

 

[hornett22]

Nothing about John Deere has ever impressed me. My first commercial mower was from John Deere and it has been downhill ever since. Occasionally I work on a JD for someone and it's a hassle getting help, getting parts, having things in stock. All of the dealers here have been bought out by Ag Pro. That's a whole nother dumpster fire. I briefly looked at their offerings compared to the Mahindra 1626 and Kioti CK 2610 and I wasn't impressed. I just can't see spending a lot more and getting a lot less. Sorry, don't see the logic.

I've always liked Kubota but again, a lot more money, a lot less tractor. I have had much better luck dealing with Kubota on parts. I will give Kubota props there.

So what have I learned from all this?

Nothing runs like a Deere and nothing smells like a John.

 

[two_bit_score]

When people throw out claims about “a lot more Money, for a lot less tractor“ they should specifically document the exact amount, where it came from and which specific tractors were compared. That is, if they expect to have any serious credibility.

If they don’t expect to have credibility then have at it.

 

[goeduck]

I don't know how the story will play out on lower volume brands, but I stay with my overall life statgey and don't go with lower volume equipment. My "newer" 2 tractors are Kubota.

I have a MF, but it is a high volume old school model from the 70s.

 

[Yander]

I wonder how many people actually priced a JD before they dismissed them as being expensive. I was shocked at what I got into my 2025r for. I just assumed it was more than I wanted to spend. I was actually calling about a used tractor and the salesman said I would be surprised what I could get one for. I thought it was a gimmick to get me in the door but I ended up buying. This was pre pandemic prices though with discounts. I got mine with the accessories for a little over $20k out the door. I just went to the build your own on the JD website and if I did it correctly it looks like $30k now. I don’t know if they have any discounts now or not. I would not be a buyer at $30k.

Ok I'll bite. Out of curiosity went out and did the build your on own on the JD site, very cool option to do that. I used @ovrszd s number of .85 of what the JD site generated and here is what I came up with. The 2025R is the closest, I think, to what a Yanmar SA425 which I paid $20K for. I know to many guys $3k difference wouldn't stop them from buying a JD over the Yanmar. I'm not one of them. I think JD makes a great product. I don't see JD owners out here trashing their tractors and wishing they had bought a different brand.

The things that mattered to me:
Loader lift on the Yanmar 1,200lb. loader lift on the JD 840lb.
Yanmar SA425 comes standard with a third function.
Yanmar tire sizes

Front Tires (with R4)	23x8.50-12 4PR
Rear Tires (with R4)	14-17.5 6PR

JD tire sizes
Rear 12-16.5 (6PR, R4 Industrial, 1 Position) Bias Ply
Front 23 X 8.50-12 (6PR, R4 Industrial, 1 Position) Bias Ply

To get closer to the same loader lift of the Yanmar SA425, I would need to go to the JD 2032R which would get me 1,120lb loader lift and a 25PTO hp. Using the cost on the web to actual cost of .85 I would pay $29k for the JD. I would have loved more PTO HP but not to the tune of $9k more

At the end of the day it comes down to what matters to you the most. It matters to me that the Engine transmission and tractor is built buy the same company. JD dealer is 15 minutes away the Yanmar dealer is 45 minutes, not a big deal to me. I would have been happy with the JD, no doubt in my mind. But I feel very good with the decision I made. I didn't compare Kubota but time permitted I may. Originally I was looking for a Kubota but the local dealers didn't have what I wanted in the summer when I was looking.