The ROPS Police - fact or fiction?

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   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction?
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MadDog,

Your first paragraph says it all and the second paragraph is really what people should be worried about. However, a 1/4" hole to mount a light is NOT going to compromise the integrity of the ROPS. If that were the case then folding ROPS with grade 8 hardware would also be suspect. In the end, it is really a personal choice whether or not to make any modifications to the ROPS.

In the final analysis it is up to the jury to decide whether or not to award the plaintiff or the defendant. (I've been watching too much Law & Order. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #72  
<font color="blue"> plaintiff or the defendant. (I've been watching too much Law & Order. ) </font>
Plaintiff = civil court
Law and Order = criminal court /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction?
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I never said I was a lawyer, just that I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Sheesh. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #74  
Hey Mad,
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( However, a 1/4" hole to mount a light is NOT going to compromise the integrity of the ROPS....)</font>
Is that a misleading statement?...
Personally, and personally only, I don't think it is either. I have drilled several small holes in my ROPS for miscellaneous attachments. Mostly for 1/4-20 bolts (#7 drill Ø.201") and I'm not worried about it. Disclaimers by manufactures will always be so broad and inclusive so as to protect their butts from ANYTHING that happens. Like stated several times before, it gives them grounds for potential denial of claim. Might just be whatever you attach to it that makes it more dangerous than original? More debris to avoid during roll over.
With that being said, how much is the effectiveness of the ROPS compromised?...I don't know...probably diddly squat with a small hole is my guess.
But this is interesting:
When you stick your finger in the ocean, the water level around the world rises...
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #75  
"There have been plenty of these statements here on TBN. See my earlier post regarding this."

I'm afraid I just can't find any of these statements. A link to a few of them would be most helpful in proving your point.
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #76  
In the event of a lawsuit resulting from a rollover and ending in death or serious injury to the operator or bystanders, the tractor manufacturer will be the primary defendant. You can expect that the first effort will be to show that the operator was doing something inherently unsafe to cause the rollover.

If it comes down to failure of the ROPS, any, repeat ANY, modification, even clamps, will be inspected carefully, especially of the area of failure is in their immediate vicinity. A good lawyer/engineer combination might try to make a case for the addition/modification causing an unforeseen distribution of forces on the ROPS, which ultimately resulted in failure of the device. Any hole, especially in the vicinity of the point of failure will also be suspect. I can even see someone trying to blame the extra weight of a set of lights mounted high on the ROPS as being a contributing factor to the rollover.

The whole point of the discussion is simple. If you are concerned about winning a lawsuit against the tractor seller/manufacturer/megacorporation that might be somehow tied to the thing, do not do anything to the the ROPS without express written consent from the the manufacturer or his representative. Not the dealer, the manufacturer.

On the other hand, if you are possessed of a little common sense and want to customize your tractor to your needs, go ahead. Just don't expect someone else to pay for damages if the thing fails to perform as expected when the unexpected awful befalls you. As has been much said here, you probably won't hurt the ROPS. It's not like they're made of some exotic alloy or anything. Mine wasn't even a good fit on the tractor, but I feel better with it there.

Along the lines of culpability, has anyone besides me wondered about the strength of the plastic hoods on the JDs if a rollover should stand the thing on its head? Their literature makes a big deal of the "safety zone" from the ROPS to the hood, but will that plastic hood hold up the weight put on it during a rollover?

For the NH line, is the ROPS high enough to keep your neck from being broken if the tractor does a complete roll? That drooping hoodline that improves visibility also lowers the line from the ROPS to the front of the machine.

For me, I think I'd prefer a wider ROPS over a taller one. It seems that would keep the tractor from getting on it's head better while I'm flopping around in the seat belt. The narrow ones would seem to allow it to past a 90 degree roll more readily.

Perhaps we can turn this discussion in that direction, although I'm pretty sure each brand has the data to back up their design.

But why is it that the folding ROPS is often a very different shape and fitment than the non-folding one on the same machine?
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm afraid I just can't find any of these statements. A link to a few of them would be most helpful in proving your point.)</font>

Did you read my earlier post? It looks like you didn't. In my reply to MikePa I specifically pointed out a recent post. But just so you don't have to spend time searching, HERE is the link to a post from just the other day, the 4th or so one down by RoyJackson.

All one has to do is to read posts in the Customization or the Build-it Yourself forums, or for that matter any forum where ROPS mods are discussed, that deal with adding lights and such to the ROPS. In just about every topic you will find someone who claims that modifying the ROPS will void your warranty.
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #78  
If one was worried about warranty being denied they should first find out who wuold be making that decision. Then get their openion in writing before making that mod. They would then have recourse if denied later.
 
   / The ROPS Police - fact or fiction? #79  
FACT if you mention ROPS modifocation the opionated Police will come out of every nook an cranny to state their piece.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( FACT if you mention ROPS modifocation the opionated Police will come out of every nook an cranny to state their piece. )</font>

Perfect, excellent, how true.
 
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