The world according to Monsanto II

[Duffster]

Typical response of someone that thinks they have posted something they haven't.

 

[Ford tractor]

Any scientist will tell you that you have to look at all possibilties then go from there.

If all scientists had the mindset that you have shown in both of these threads, I hesitate to think where we would be today.

Gosh, I am a scientist (well, chemical engineer still close enough). A scientist formulates a hypothesis then tests it. If it is EVER (even once) shown to be wrong, then it is dis-proven and a new hypothesis is required. Nearly every one of your points has been shown to be spurious. So how can you claim a scientific dispassion and still cling to dis-proven hypothesis?

Both sides have agendas, I agree. But we are stuck in the middle.

Some of us distrust both sides, and we see changes in our bodies and want to know why. We see bees dying, after the introduction of GMO crops. We see herbicide resistant weeds popping up. We see waterways beginning to get polluted with BT, from the GM crops.

Some of us would like to be good stewards of the planet, but the chemical use is starting to cause problems.

Who is "we"? It sounds like you are more of a radical activist than a normal every day truck driver.

How misinformed can one person be?

An insecticide used in genetically modified (GM) crops grown extensively in the United States and other parts of the world has leached into the water of the surrounding environment


From the article:

The study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, analysed 217 streams in Indiana. The scientists found 86 per cent of the sites contained corn leaves, husks, stalks or cereal cobs in their channels and 13 per cent contained detectable levels of the insectidical Cry1Ab proteins.

GM Maize 'Has Polluted Rivers Across the United States' - Bad Seed News

"detectable levels". What does that mean? You do realize that modern assay methods can detect things down to parts per trillion, right? The article is 100% total bogus BS. Post articles that list the sample collection methods, assay methods and raw results. The stuff you are posting may look good to a total un-informed person with zero true science background, but they are nothing but pseudo-science published to facilitate a socialist agenda.


An interesting corollary occurred nearly 140 years ago to a guy in France. He was up against "a consensus of leading scientists" with his radical hypothesis. Seems he was convinced that disease was caused by micro-organisms and the "leading scientists" were invested in the theory of parthenogenesis. If you like cheap healthy milk, non-sour beer, non-sour wine, surgical instruments that are cleaned and sterilized between operations, a cure for rabies and innumerable others you should be glad that Louis Pasteur prevailed against the consensus. He also was adamant that scientific method with results reproduced by all were needed to actually prove or disprove hypotheses. He would be apoplectic over your links and their spurious claims.

 

[Don87]

Typical response of someone that thinks they have posted something they haven't.

Post 31...........search from there.

 

[Don87]

Gosh, I am a scientist (well, chemical engineer still close enough). A scientist formulates a hypothesis then tests it. If it is EVER (even once) shown to be wrong, then it is dis-proven and a new hypothesis is required. Nearly every one of your points has been shown to be spurious. So how can you claim a scientific dispassion and still cling to dis-proven hypothesis?

There's your key words. Think about what you typed.

 

[Duffster]

Post 31...........search from there.

Makes no mention of producing less byproduct.

 

[Don87]

Who is "we"? It sounds like you are more of a radical activist than a normal every day truck driver.





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WE would be 'normal people' that have a real understanding and respect for nature.


And actually, it is a proven fact that actual 'radical activists' actively seek to degrade people, and their families, and attempt to get people of the opposite view fired from their jobs.

So would you like my home phone to harrass my family, along with the phone/e-mail/and physical address of my employer?

 

[Don87]

"detectable levels". What does that mean? You do realize that modern assay methods can detect things down to parts per trillion, right? The article is 100% total bogus BS. Post articles that list the sample collection methods, assay methods and raw results. The stuff you are posting may look good to a total un-informed person with zero true science background, but they are nothing but pseudo-science published to facilitate a socialist agenda.


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I was told by Another 'educated person' that I was to check University studies for answers.

Well my friend, I have done that. And I have posted names, as well as the universities that they work at.

You should have the capability to contact the universities in question, or the 'actual scientists' and get the info for yourself withought tying up bandwidth on TBN.

 

[Don87]

If any of you really want to delve into the glyphosate side-effects issue, here are references for papers/presentations at a conference on glyphosate effects. Also below are some links for comments on the issue (from Monsanto and others).
BOB

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Bob, I noticed some of your links lead to Aknowledgements, and nothing more. Is there a way you can fix that?

 

[Don87]

Okay............maybe we are rid of the Monsanto junkies.

One topic I raised earlier..............Honeybees............Did anyone else notice a corelation between the advent of GMO crops, and Colony Collapse Disorder , or was it just me?


Should I believe actual evidence............or should I just point my cell phone at then and say..................POW?

 

[Mace Canute]

Just you...

From Study finds causes of Colony Collapse Disorder in bees - Telegraph

a group of biologists have completed a study that claims to have found the cause: a combination of two common infections - one fungal, one viral - working together to create a condition far more serious than either would in isolation.

That's the latest "cause" apparently. It's still not settled one way or the other for certain but a lot of factors seem to point to it being close if not the proverbial cigar. Who knows, maybe tomorrow it will be a different cigar!

BTW, "correlation" has nothing to do with "causation". It's like arguing that since A and B regularly occur together, A therefore must be the cause of B when in reality it's just a coincidence that A and B happen to occur together.