Things you just have to have to start farming...

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texasjohn said:
Good article.

PVC pipe... cheap, effective, you can scatter them all around, in the barn, in the pen, back of pickup... whereever you might need one... they weather well...I've found fiberglass comes apart after a while..then you get glass in your hands:(


Probably cheaper too! I'll have to get some pipe and try that out. I bet they are white too, which helps with visibility. Ours are grey and I wonder sometimes if the cattle can even see the things. Reminds me of an old saying, "it's a big mistake to drive black cattle in the dark." At least having a light colored cutting stick would help them see you!
 
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26m10 said:
Great Article...I am jealous...I wish I had the nuts to do what you guys are doing.

Thanks. This is still America, and I believe you can take hold of your dreams and make them happen. The most important thing though is to do it with a partner. That way if it doesn't work out you have someone to blame! :D HA!
 
   / Things you just have to have to start farming... #53  
YEP, white PVC... easily seen, easy to move

Now, one other trick.... I have a chute that leads to the squeeze chute... turns out you need to use blocks behind the cattle to keep them from backing up after you get several in the chute and one in the squeeze.

Sure, metal pipe about 2 inches in diameter or wood posts work... however, if you take a fiberglass pole (read sucker rod) and put a PVC sheath around it with PVC caps glued on each end, then it's STRONG, light, the PVC keeps the glass out of your hands, etc.
 
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What kind of squeeze chute do you use? I've seen WW and Dube. We bought a Dube for my partner's farm, but haven't put one on my place yet.

We're just now rigging up a good handling system at his farm. We'd planned on just cutting them out of a holding pen into an alley one at a time and pushing them up to the Dube. Is it easier to get 2 or 3 in the alley and bring them through one at a time that way?

The PVC/FG pole you described, do you insert that behind the cattle through some kind of slot or something to prevent reversing? Eventually we want to get one of those push/sweep systems. I saw one that used 3 sweep gates in a row for leverage. Each one had leverage to close the next one and you just keep squeezing them in to a single file alley. The only problem is that our Dube chute opens on the side much wider than the alley. We're still working out the kinks.
 
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OK this post is from texasjohn, he posted this in another thread I have on rear weight being more functional than just heavy. This was his solution and an all time classic!!!

texasjohn said:
I used my 3PH hay fork, put a carryall on it, welded a gooseneck ball to the hay fork, put a grate floor on the carryall (makes it easy to chain/tie stuff down), added weights, toolbox, other heavy stuff. This rear rig goes with me everywhere except when I'm actually hauling hay on it. The carryall has pipes that slip over the tines of the hay fork and chains hold it on the fork. So, this rig is both heavy and functional. Photos below
CARRYALL_1_1109.JPG
HAY_FORK_WEIGHTS_BALL_WEIGHTS_1_1092.JPG
CARRY_ALL_BOTTOM_1_1088.JPG

Thanks texasjohn for the pics and for permission to post this over here.

Folks, this is one of those things every one needs! :)
 
   / Things you just have to have to start farming... #56  
Spiveyman, thanks for your kind words re my carryall:eek:

Squeeze chute is a Silver King. I just did a google and didn't find it listed... so, may no longer be made. I recommend, highly, watching cattle go thru a number of chutes. In particular, I think your needs are going to be QUITE different from those of many cowmen. Those horns are likely to be a problem for some chutes. I've seen quite a few different types and so far have never found one that is perfect. I still like mine the best... here are the features that I like. Sorry, no photos.

Headgate opens from top to bottom.. when fully open, it allows completely unrestriced exit.. there is no V shape to it.

There are two pipes on rollers, vertically, that are adjusted for the size of necks that you are going to be working. This is a manual adjustment for width..big pins at top and bottom sit into stout holders. The handle for opening/shutting the headgate is about 14 inches long, thus is out of the way for most operations. It also hinges up and just lifts out of its latch. It swings horizontally and simply drops into a metal latch .

The headgate swings INWARD only... I think this is a good deal because once shut there is no way that an animal can jigger something loose and bust out the headgate. Also, I THINK that this type of headgate would work for you.. long horns would have to turn head sideways to put head thru the headgate... and when the horns are thru, you begin shutting the headgate... as it closes from both sides onto the neck, forward pressure by the animal neck/shoulders causes the headgate to continue to close solidly.

The length of the chute is longer than typical... and I'm glad for it... My Beefmaster bull weighed 2400 lbs, pasture grass condition at 6 years old. He's both long and thick. Gotta have a chute that accomodates this size for sure. Vertical side bars on each side are INDIVIDUALLY released if need be to get to work on the animal. I dislike the kind that has a single catch that releases a group of bars at once. Below the bars, there is a solid wood panel that prevents hoofs from getting caught. There are two 12" planks, hinged in the middle. You can let the top plank down to get to the underside of an animal, or remove the entire panel.

I wish there were a palpation cage behind the squeeze chute... handy for palpation, AI, and the occasional, unfortunate calving assist/cleanout. Also, palpation cages typically have entry doors from EACH SIDE.. .. would be a really nice feature to have... else, you have to take the long way around to get to the other side of the crowding chute.

The tail gate slides up and down vertically... there is a rope that pulls it up... and you let it drop. I added length to the rope so you can get behind the animal and encourage it into the squeeze while holding the rope and drop the gate when ready. I also added a do-hickey that sailers use to hold a rope in place as long as pressure is along the rope, but pulling it from the side releases the rope..you kinda either know what I mean, or have never seen such.. they are hard to find..found mine in a pawn shop.

I also added a chain at the headgate. A rope works as well, but a chain is easier to secure on the loose end. The purpose of the chain is to go over the top of the animal's head and, when pulled down it keeps the animals head more controlled and down toward the ground...good for working on heads, ear tags, etc. This is a MUST HAVE... actually a very significant safety feature for both bovine and man.

The width of the chute can be adjusted.. calves as small as 100 lbs can be run thru it (one at a time) as well as BIG animals... I don't have enough money to have several size chutes, so this one has to fit the bill. Being able to narrow the head gate down is key to holding a small animal..put the head in the gate, chain it down, and you are good to go.

There is a side gate that swings open, entire side swings out, thus allowing exit of an animal thru the side as well as a head gate. I find that it is important to have this kind of exit available. Every once in a while, an animal will get down in the chute and there is absolutely no way to get it up...so, the solution is to open the side gate releasing the pressure and allowing it better foot mobility to get back on its feet.

There is a long handle that, when pulled, narrows the top width of the chute. You let the animal enter, get caught in the headgate, then compress the sides just enough to let it know that it's futile to do too much jumping around... There are catches such that the width will stay under pressure.

Chutes are either right or left handed... meaning you will typically work animals while standing on their right or left side... how you lay out your pens, chute, barn, etc... this makes a difference.

You wanted to know how to get your stock into the squeeze chute. Personally, I know of no safe way to do this other than to have a larger pen that attaches to a smaller pen that has a sweep/swing gate that forces animals into a small pen and ultimately into a crowding chute ..long enough for about 2-5 animals depending on your space. From this crowding chute you force them into the squeeze chute . Such a gate is a critical safety feature...the cattle understand a gate closing behind them much better than a person crowding them... you can push their rear with the gate and they are much more likely to proceed forward than if you try to push them by hand... remember, they kick and you would rather have a gate between you and them for them to kick.

I probably misunderstand.... it sounds like you have an alley (to me an alley is wider than one animal) and then you plan to encourage the animal to enter the squeeze chute. If your alley is so wide that an animal can turn around, this isn't going to work... The alley leading to the squeeze chute MUST be only one animal wide. If your alley will hold several animals in a row... then DEFINATELY what you want to do is put several animals in the crowding alley and then move them individually into the squeeze chute. Cattle are herd animals and like to follow each other. This is where using blocking devices comes into play. My alley has several vertical stops about every 4 feet. Another crowding alley I have makes use of cattle panels and thus has wire squares everywhere that can be used to hold the blocking pole. Passing a pipe/post/block about 1/2 way above the hocks and below tail head from one side to the other of the alley will prevent an animal from backing up.. also, provides some protection in keeping an animal from being crowded from behind.

Sweep gates like you mention certainly work.. and are the high priced spread... You clearly need one... am not sure about several... unless you are working hundreds of head... or tens of head every day...

PM me if above is confusing.
 
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Wow, that's great. It will take me a little while to digest all of that. In the mean time I'll try to get a picture of the Dube chute. It is very different from what you described, no head gate at all. It's hard to describe with out a picture, but where your alley runs right into the end of your chute with the headgate at the other end, our chute is perpendicular to the alley, and yes our is wider than one animal because of that. The side of the chute opens up completely so that the animal can walk right in, there's no narrow opening or anything. You use the side of the chute to swing around kind of like a sweep gate, then it has a ratchet at the latch part so you can squeeze the cattle in. The other side of the chute squeezes in from the other end you so can ge them real tight and push them forward or rearward in the chute. It has the vertical pipes at the side and rear individually opening so you can access any portion of the animal for branding or shots. It has a palp gate and a cleat for hooking nose pliers to with a rope. I saw it demonstrated and they did about anything you'd want to do in one, but we've not used ours yet. As for the corrale system and alleys and such we still have to build that. I'll get some pics, that way we can all laugh at our first attempt to build a cattle handling system.

While we may not own thousands of head, with the beef business we hope to be moving thousands of them as we go. That's why I'm trying to get some good info up front. Not sure when I'll get the pics, but I'll post when I get them. Thanks and I'll check out those other threads now.
 
   / Things you just have to have to start farming... #59  
Nice article Spiveyman! Gotta always keep reinventing yourself to feel alive doncha?
 
   / Things you just have to have to start farming... #60  
This is the only picture of the Dube Chute that I've found on the web..

Your description sounds interesting.... key thing... can you work all sizes from 100 lb calves up?? I think that is a critical requirement. Also, if an animal gets down, can you release catches so sides expand and it can get up. Sometimes, catches are constructed that when great pressure is on them, there is no way they can be released... bad design.

I suggest you get at least 2 pair of nose pliars. (then you can lose one and still be OK).. I've seen an unruly jumping/climbing 2000+ lb bull subdued so it could be worked on when squeezed between two gates and his head pulled back (hard) to the rear of his rib cage with a nose pliars, rope on pliars and snubbed tight to a rearward post.

I couldn't believe that the nose didn't tear out!! Note... 'twasn't my bull!
 
 

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