Thinking about a log winch for pulling stumps?

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Bigshooter81

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Have a piece of raw land that we need to put a road and several build sites in.

Wondering if anyone has ever left the stumps long and hooked their winches to them through a snatch block or two and uprooted them successfully?

Mostly sand where we are at, so I'm thinking this would work?
 
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I would like to recommend using the right tool for the task. I think you’d be much happier and it would be significantly safer. The cable could fail, slip off or break the stump off and there will be a tremendous about of kinetic energy built up coming for you. A back hoe or better yet a track hoe would make short work of this task

Brett
 
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It's either going to be my tree puller attachment or potentially a log winch.

Larger equipment is not feasable.
 
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How big are the stumps in question. With the tree puller on the CTL I can make fast work of 6” and less trees. ( as in I’ll run against an equal sized mini any day ) A puller is considerably less effective on a tractor. Given enough blocks and tackles a winch will pull anything, but that’s not a time or cost effective option.
 
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Look up "pulling stumps" on YouTube.Using the "lever method" not block and tackle.I have a bunch to pull this spring and that's the way I am going.
 
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With a long enough lever........

I take it you haven't cut the trees yet, leave as much log on the stump for leverage as you are able to. If you can cut them 6' or more will be your best chance for making this work.
 
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With enough heavy duty blocks you can make it work. Pay close attention to working load limits of everything involved and make sure you understand which components are subject to several times your line pull. A skidding winch is a wonderful tool to own. Hopefully it'll do what you want without requiring a small fortune worth of blocks and heavy duty chain, but once you own it, you'll love using it in the woods.
 
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I found it easier to get stumps out by leaving the tree whole and cable it from extension ladder height. Get the weight of the tree working with you. Dig around the base with an FEL and push.
Or a backhoe or stump grinder.
 
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Leaving the tree attached for a weighted lever definitely helps.
 
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Leaving the tree attached for a weighted lever definitely helps.
4570 is correctomendo. First choice... push the trees over. Second choice cut the trees with HIGH stumps, then push over. Third choice, dig the stumps out with a trackhoe. When building right of way logging roads that is the way we do'er now a days. It is efficient and quick and you don't have huge craters like the old days when we used to dynamite the stumps or split them with a stump splitter on the back of a D8.
 
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I’ve also found that if you take the cut the stump off high approach that it takes less force push it over and then push it back the other way vs just pulling one way.
 
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How big are these trees? What types of trees? I think you'll just drag your tractor closer to the stump unless they are small trees. I assume you are going to use your l2501 to do this. I think I would look into renting a stump grinder for a weekend and try that first.
 
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Hopefully Howtoclearland.com is still on the internet.

The winch is a viable option. Please look at "Moving the Earth" the workbook of excavation by Herbert Nichols Jr

There is an entire chapter on stumps. Also everything you need to know about road building (your eventual goal). View attachment 1518870477608.jpeg
 
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Hopefully Howtoclearland.com is still on the internet.

The winch is a viable option. Please look at "Moving the Earth" the workbook of excavation by Herbert Nichols Jr

There is an entire chapter on stumps. Also everything you need to know about road building (your eventual goal). View attachment 540342

You better be careful with that anchor line unless you run the chain under the tractor and hook directly to the winch. Otherwise you might end up with a 1/2 tractor.
 
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There is an entire section devoted to safe use of a winch. The logging winch anchor itself with the rear blade making the anchor line unnecessary.

Read R.G LeTourneau's book he cleared a bunch of land with a steam winch set.
 
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What size trees?

Vast majority under 18".

Many of the smaller ones my stump grapple will handle quickly.

I figured the bigger ones i could grub around them some then use a the winch to pop the tap roots.
 
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Hopefully Howtoclearland.com is still on the internet.

The winch is a viable option. Please look at "Moving the Earth" the workbook of excavation by Herbert Nichols Jr

There is an entire chapter on stumps. Also everything you need to know about road building (your eventual goal). View attachment 540342

It sure is.

Just downloaded the pdf.

Thanks for mentioning it.
 
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Have a piece of raw land that we need to put a road and several build sites in.

Wondering if anyone has ever left the stumps long and hooked their winches to them through a snatch block or two and uprooted them successfully?

Mostly sand where we are at, so I'm thinking this would work?

Oh sure, of course it will. The key is to secure one end of the winch to a tree LOW on its trunk, then attach the cable HIGH on the tree you want to uproot. The higher you go, the better the leverage. I would say 20 feet at least, but the higher the better. I know a guy that is using this method using a homemade 5 hp engine. Its not about size, it is all about leverage.

It is the same thing with stumps. I clear land, on my own land as well as for others, and even sitting in an excavator, a huge hemlock stump does not even give me concern, but a White Ash or White Pine of rather smallish size sure does! Those two types of trees have a tap root straight to hades with Lucifer having a death grip on them then I swear. So it really depends on the type of trees you have, not their size. (I once had 3 white pine stumps really close together and even using a John Deere 850 Bulldozer I was not sure I would ever get them out).

Soil conditions play a role as well. A smaller excavator (34,000 pound class) can pull a stump with ease during mud season, but struggle in a drought. However you will lose more precious topsoil pulling stumps when it is wet, a bad situation if you are using the area as an agricultural field. Equally, ledgerock...if it is fairly smooth and hard can make pulling stumps a dream, but if that ledgerock is shaly, and the roots are driven right into the cracks, it will be a tougher job.

To that end, think of pulling stumps more like trying to pry a piece of glass off a wet surface. It is not the roots so much that keep the stump in the ground (except for Ash and White Pine), but rather "suction". Once you break that suction, the stump comes right out.

If you use an excavator (and I highly recommend renting one, even in the 34,000 pound class, in good conditions you can stump 2-3 acres per day), breaking that suction means wiggling the teeth down into the stump's root ball, then levering the bucket on the ground to force the stump out. Just trying to grab the stump and pulling it with the machine is not very effective. If levering it out does not work, then pick up on the stump even if it brings your tracks off the ground by four or five feet. Get the excavator bouncing, putting that counterweight to work for you, and it will soon break the suction and release. Just hang on in case you are up there when you get sent back down to earth. Also watch out on ledge filled hillsides; it is easy to pull yourself over the edge instead of pulling the stump out. Older excavators actually excel at stump pulling because it was all hydraulics, new ones cut out the power when you start getting the machine really bouncing.

Either way, have fun. No reason to spend your hard earned cash just for someone else to pull stumps for you.

I know, everyone is an expert on the internet, but I am hardly that. I got into land clearing by accident, but I still kind of like it: at the end of the day there is no doubt...I have done something. Here was an 18 acre job on the side of a stinking mountain. Note the track...it took 5 hours to put that guy back on.
 

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   / Thinking about a log winch for pulling stumps? #20  
I found it easier to get stumps out by leaving the tree whole and cable it from extension ladder height. Get the weight of the tree working with you. Dig around the base with an FEL and push.
Or a backhoe or stump grinder.
This is what I do. Only I get a rope up high before starting and pull from far away. 100% success thus far, and the tree falls much slower compared to chainsaw cutting.
 
 

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