Buying Advice Thinking about Yanmar 2210 but need some help

[Florida_Farmer]

Thanks California... Your comments were great. I talked a bit more with the guy - he lives in kind of a low lying area and about 5 years ago they were building a large retention pond nearby and he gets 100 loads of dirt delivered at 40 bucks a load. Buys the tractor and blades to move the dirt around - he gets it done and basically parks the tractor. Sits outside and is hardly used for the last 3 years and I showed up today..
So draining the oil, cleaning or changing the filter and adding new oil then repeating this a time or two is probably the logical path but is there any way to flush the hydraulic cavities rather than just cycle thru a few quick changes of hydro oil? Or are there any additives that to de-gunk things as you do a few oil changes?
Thanks again

 

[Florida_Farmer]

It has been a while since I read just how Aaron stated that I recently sent that article to my son encouraging him to check out a 2210 in NC. It sold before he moved on it. i now do not remember the price but had a loader and supposedly all working around $4500.

As for the birds, the
Owners and management seem to be extremely please with a team that almost performs. With so much of mlb including the cards going all out for blm and their terrorist actions, I have not kept up with games at all this year.
On a sad note related to the cards, Bob Gibson passed in just the last few days. Those guys from that era are dropping fast.

Yes - Gibson even made the news here in Florida. I was fortunate enough to meet him in the 80's - my sister was a ball girl for the Cardinals for a couple of years - she got my grandfather a ball signed by Stan the man that was one of his most treasured possessions.
From afar now, it seems like the die-hard fans are starting to agree with you and the fan base is starting to slip.
Thanks

 

[rScotty]

If you could recover most/all of the cost selling the implements, and you have the time to fool around with this - then for me I would go ahead. With an expectation that the outcome could be anything.

If it grabbed a few times and powered the drivetrain properly, then likely nothing is broken but just dirty. Engaging the clutch powers the input shaft to the transmission, this spins the internal pump which sends fluid through various passages to engage the clutch packs, and when they engage you start moving.

My suspicion with milky fluid is this is the only problem, likely including crudded-up internal passages that would likely clean up if you ran a couple of flushes of ATF. (which is more 'detergent' than UTF). Part of how Powershift works is that hydraulic fluid is sent to little pistons that when they move, a passage is uncovered to allow fluid into a different passage. A stuck piston will cause weird shift results. Clean ATF and maybe getting it up to operating temperature will hopefully clean it up. Powershift generally is bulletproof. Its real rare to read of a PS problem in this forum.

I've won a lot more gambles like this than lost, but it could go either way. I, personally, would do it.

Yep, with powershift clutches trying to grab... and milky transmission fluid it sure sounds like clogging is causing loss of suction through the cleanable filter. Worth a gamble.
rScotty

 

[rScotty]

Thanks California... Your comments were great. I talked a bit more with the guy - he lives in kind of a low lying area and about 5 years ago they were building a large retention pond nearby and he gets 100 loads of dirt delivered at 40 bucks a load. Buys the tractor and blades to move the dirt around - he gets it done and basically parks the tractor. Sits outside and is hardly used for the last 3 years and I showed up today..
So draining the oil, cleaning or changing the filter and adding new oil then repeating this a time or two is probably the logical path but is there any way to flush the hydraulic cavities rather than just cycle thru a few quick changes of hydro oil? Or are there any additives that to de-gunk things as you do a few oil changes?
Thanks again

Yes, you can use a light weight high detergent motor oil instead of a hydraulic oil. But first clean both the cleanable pre-filter and of course replace the screw on filter. Get ready to clean and replace both a couple of times. Now put in the 10 wt HD motor oil & run it until it warms up and then drain & replace. Do it several times at longer intervals - it may take a few days - until the oil you are draining out comes out looking as clean as it went it. Not much cleans things better than hot HD motor oil. Then a final set of filters service and switch to a trans-hydraulic fluid.

This may not be your problem. But it sure sounds like a common tractor problem and particularly a Yanmar symptom. Rain water and dew enters past the shift levers and then mixes with the transmission fluid to turn it into what looks like stringy chocolate milk and clogs the suction filter pores. If yours has done that, the steering box at the base of the steering shaft is suspect from water damage too. A simple tarp will prevent both of these things.
Good Luck,
rScotty

 

[Rebeldad1]

be sure to let us know what happens. good luck

 

[clemsonfor]

Thanks for the info - it is informative - I've never had a powershift. My Yanmars were both 1500's - my New Holland TC33D is hydro and I really like that. Yes - a box blade, rake and standard blade plus the tractor for well under 2K - a little surface rust here and there, rubber is good, battery looks good and engine oil was clean. Has a foot throttle - it's a Zen-Noh model so the fenders / platform are bit more detailed than my standard Yanmar. If it's the hydraulic pump for the 3pt - how hard is that to replace?
Thanks again for the great info.

Zen noh is nothing more than the co op name that purchased the tractors to lease to farmers. This 2210 badged Zen noh would be identical to a 2210 Yanmar badged tractor.

 

[California]

Yes, you can use a light weight high detergent motor oil instead of a hydraulic oil. But first clean both the cleanable pre-filter and of course replace the screw on filter. 10 wt HD motor oil ...

Anybody know - Is diesel rated oil higher detergency than ATF? Is diesel rated oil available in light weights?

Also does anybody know for 2210 - is there a screw on transmission filter? I think the only filter is the hydraulic pump's 'strainer' at the sump intake. Hence the advice to replace fluid annually or better.

 

[winston1]

Anybody know - Is diesel rated oil higher detergency than ATF? Is diesel rated oil available in light weights?

Also does anybody know for 2210 - is there a screw on transmission filter? I think the only filter is the hydraulic pump's 'strainer' at the sump intake. Hence the advice to replace fluid annually or better.

The 2210 does not have a screw on filter, only the strainer.

 

[Florida_Farmer]

Anybody know - Is diesel rated oil higher detergency than ATF? Is diesel rated oil available in light weights?

Also does anybody know for 2210 - is there a screw on transmission filter? I think the only filter is the hydraulic pump's 'strainer' at the sump intake. Hence the advice to replace fluid annually or better.

California - I'll have the tractor home tonight and will look again but I did not see a hydro filter when I took a quick look. Also - with the ATF flush - you start and run the tractor to warm things up but do you try to put it in gear to move the fluids or just let it sit and run - not sure if the ATF will harm the pump(s)? Also - I saw on another forum someone mentioned a sea foam product called Hydra Trans Tune.. Wondering if anyone had heard of it or tried it.
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Thanks

 

[rScotty]

Anybody know - Is diesel rated oil higher detergency than ATF? Is diesel rated oil available in light weights?

Also does anybody know for 2210 - is there a screw on transmission filter? I think the only filter is the hydraulic pump's 'strainer' at the sump intake. Hence the advice to replace fluid annually or better.

Keep in mind that my advice on filters is based on my knowledge of the US Yanmars - I really don't know that much about the grey market ones. What I've been describing fits the power shift models much better than the straight gear shifters. All the US powershift Yanmars I can think of had two filters: a spin on and a cleanable strainer. The problems the OP described are common when an older powershift sits in the weather. Generally what happens first is that the water + hydraulic fluid forms a milky stringy goo that plugs the cleanable strainer and the hydraulic pump starves from no suction and therefore no lubrication. Then the pump begins to pit the rotating surfaces. You want to stop that.

On detergency.... what we are looking for with a high detergent light flushing weight motor oil is the abilty to emulsify water, dissolve fats, and also the ability to suspend particles so that they can be removed. The lubricity is going to be adequate for protecting the transmission while the flushing is done. There used to be flushing oils on the market for that purpose. Castrol & Mobil made one; so did most everyone else. They were roughly a 10 wt motor oil with lots of detergent. I haven't seen that oil listed in 50 years. The combination of properties in a flushing oil would probably make a it better than diesel of ATF. You might even want to mix your own. with some of each. Since it is going through the high pressure pump, I'd go spareingly on anything as combustable as diesel, but it would be real hard for a home brew mix to be any worse than what's in there now.
luck,
rScotty