Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions

   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #11  
I see you are listed as being in VA - may want to check Barlows for a price before you pull the trigger - I did and they were a LOT cheaper than my local dealers and they did everything they promised. There delivery was also VERY reasonable!
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #12  
If it was me I would get a couple buckets a 12 24 and 30 ditch smooth. Hydr thumb is only way to go you will use ever time you use the hoe.
As for a trailer find a used bobcat trailer with 7k axles then tou won't have to worry about over loading. Around here a lot of good deals on trailers.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #13  
I see you are listed as being in VA - may want to check Barlows for a price before you pull the trigger - I did and they were a LOT cheaper than my local dealers and they did everything they promised. There delivery was also VERY reasonable!

I agree with this. If I lived down that way, I would have got them to quote me as I have only read good things about Barlows.

As for the hydro thumb, I consider it a luxury item. While I agree it makes working with a BH so much better when dealing with stones, logs, etc. it is a very expensive add-on to a $9k backhoe (adds another $3-4k I believe). If you're using the BH commercially, yes get one. If you only going to do things on your own property, then I would consider the manual thumb as it's not a lot of dollars. I don't have either currently and have only had a few times when I really would have liked one. If money is not object however, go hydro!!!

One more point is my MX5100 is HST, I would not go any other way but that's me.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #14  
I have to agree on the hydro - unless you are doing a LOT of field work (Plowing big areas) I would get the hydro. I was working in out woods todays pushing old downed trees over the hill and generally cleaning it up and a gear drive would have been rough. At times I had less than two to three inches clearance and the Hydro allows me to VERY carefully edge in and out of the tight spots on fairly steep/un-level areas. I spend every summer as a college kid driving gear drive tractors 40+ hrs a week so I am comfortable with them but the Hydro is so much easier and nicer. As Kyle241 said "One more point is my MX5100 is HST, I would not go any other way but that's me." I have to agree 100%
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #15  
I have to agree on the hydro - unless you are doing a LOT of field work (Plowing big areas) I would get the hydro. I was working in out woods todays pushing old downed trees over the hill and generally cleaning it up and a gear drive would have been rough. At times I had less than two to three inches clearance and the Hydro allows me to VERY carefully edge in and out of the tight spots on fairly steep/un-level areas. I spend every summer as a college kid driving gear drive tractors 40+ hrs a week so I am comfortable with them but the Hydro is so much easier and nicer. As Kyle241 said "One more point is my MX5100 is HST, I would not go any other way but that's me." I have to agree 100%

X3:thumbsup: I can drive a gear tractor as well as the next guy, and over the 20 years I have been a tractor owner, I have more years on gear tractors than hydro tractors, but when clearances get tight, or working on edges and doing loader work or working around people on the ground, then Hydro is the way to go. It is just so much more precise, and at the end of the day, you left leg feels just fine!:)

James K0UA
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions
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#16  
...check Barlows...
This is one of those weird ones. On one hand, he (and I) look for the best deal possible. On the other hand, he (and I) also want quality service after the sale.

If you don't buy from a local dealer, how do you expect that local dealer to stay in business? And if Barlow's ends up being the only game in town, I don't have much interest in trailering my tractor to Kentucky every time I want a 100 hour service.

The deal that my dealer (Dickenson Equipment) is offering is solid. It's a few thousand less than his local dealer (about 2 hours away), and my brother is willing to drive to my place for the better price.

I faced a nearly identical decision when I bought my travel trailer a couple of years ago. I found a dealer in Virginia that had "my" trailer at a very reasonable price. I could have driven to a 'superstore' in Ohio and saved another $1,000. Decided against it. I put my money where my mouth is and purchase as local as is reasonable for the situation.

...used bobcat trailer with 7k axles...
He (nor I) are much into used stuff. The price jump to start talking about over-deck trailers and 14k ratings just starts feeling like 'something else'.

He's not done looking and there may be a 14k trailer out there for something under $4k. That'd be nice. But quite honestly, you start loading something much past 12k# and the truck will start to groan as well. If the tractor is a solid 7k# and the box blade another 800#, I think that's as much as he'll be carrying at once.

He's not done looking yet, though.

I have to agree on the hydro...
This is another odd one. When this little adventure started, all my brother knew was construction equipment. Case backhoes, Hitachi excavators, Cat D8's, you know...little stuff. No 'farm tractors'. Except for his limited exposure to my BX tractor which is, of course, hydrostatic. Oh, and the 8 hp Crapsman sit-on-engine mower that we hacked the grass to death with when we were kids. NOT hydrostatic.

We go to the dealership and I'm looking at nothing but hydro. Then my brother asks what the difference is. Bear in mind that I've never driven a geared tractor.

I hop on a tractor and play with it...the shuttle shifter, the gear selector, the clutch, and we figure it all out.

His response? "Well THIS is what I'm used to...I've never used anything else" Geared. Totally comfortable on it.

I don't disagree that hydro is "better" in several situations. But that is the same way that an automatic transmission is "better" in a car. "Better" is sometimes just "more convenient"...not more durable...not more powerful...not quieter...just quicker and easier.

But guess what? I learned on a stickshift and still prefer manual cars over automatics. If he's used to a geared tractor and it saves him a bunch of money, who am I to say that a hydromatic tractor is "better"?

If he's more comfortable in a geared tractor, I'm good with that. We very much appreciate all the thoughts, though. If he didn't have the equipment background that he does, hydro would be the way he goes.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #17  
Keith, of course you and your brother are 100% right to get the drivetrain setup you are comfortable with. Those who own HST equipment - including me - recommend it for it's convenience, but most would say they may be HST "fans" but they are tractor "fanatics", regardless of brand, type of drivetrain or whatever. Hope your brother and you enjoy the buying and especially the owning experience.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions
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#18  
Re-reading my post, it appears my tone was a little "terse" with regard to my brother's transmission choice and for that, I apologize.

If it were my tractor, I'd have a hard time with a geared model. But he doesn't. So that is awesome, too.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions #19  
as said the tranny choice is a personal choice.i ran geared tractors till my knee got to where it couldnt anymore.so i quit driving them.then i wanted a 4x4 an HST was the only way to go.now if i ever get a bigger tractor itll be hydrolic shuttle.
 
   / Thoughts on MX5100...a couple of questions
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#20  
The MX5100 has a Syncro Shuttle Transmission...that's good, right?

I honestly don't know much about geared models, but my limited understanding is that you can roll from forward to reverse quickly and easily using this single lever. And that there is very little chance of you screwing something up in the transmission.

As far as speed, it is my understanding from my brother that his backhoes live 90% of their lives in 2nd gear. 1st is a 'granny' gear and is seldom used. And 3rd is the gear you pick on your way to 4th, which is what you use when you're humping down the road.

Am I barking up the right tree?
 

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