Tier 4 idle question

[Paystar]

Just a thought. Why don't we all email these guys to show them interest in DPF deletes for the small compacts. They already do agricultural tractors, and their deletes and programs work wonders on big rigs.
Diesel Spec | Engine performance repair & tuning for heavy truck

It would be pretty easy for them to come up with a fix as these small compacts are a lot less complicated than the systems on big trucks.

 

[All In A Days Work]

Just a thought. Why don't we all email these guys to show them interest in DPF deletes for the small compacts. They already do agricultural tractors, and their deletes and programs work wonders on big rigs.
Diesel Spec | Engine performance repair & tuning for heavy truck

It would be pretty easy for them to come up with a fix as these small compacts are a lot less complicated than the systems on big trucks.

Good Idea! So far so good on my new tractor, 17 hours and no regens yet.

 

[MHarryE]

One point to remember is the emissions warranty is quite long on the off-highway. If there is any hint of tampering the warranty is void. If for example the warranty is 5,000 hours, you remove the DPF and your turbo fails at 4,000 hours, it's all your bill. If the engine has not been tampered with its the company's bill. Just one thing to keep in mind when you start stripping things off the engine.

 

[drizler]

Good Idea! So far so good on my new tractor, 17 hours and no regens yet.

Most likely you will get one around 45-50 hrs. I have 115hrs on mine now and it came right around 48 and 100. Nothing but that slight smell of hot motor and it just keeps on keeping on as usual.

 

[Catchad81]

Most likely you will get one around 45-50 hrs. I have 115hrs on mine now and it came right around 48 and 100. Nothing but that slight smell of hot motor and it just keeps on keeping on as usual.

Mine has done it twice, once at 14 hours and another at 25 hours...

 

[All In A Days Work]

One point to remember is the emissions warranty is quite long on the off-highway. If there is any hint of tampering the warranty is void. If for example the warranty is 5,000 hours, you remove the DPF and your turbo fails at 4,000 hours, it's all your bill. If the engine has not been tampered with its the company's bill. Just one thing to keep in mind when you start stripping things off the engine.

Yes that is a good point. Myself, I wouldn't even think about changing anything while it is still under warranty and even after that I don't plan on changing anything unless it just became such a problem child that something has to be done. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will work out just fine the way it is.

 

[GManBart]

One point to remember is the emissions warranty is quite long on the off-highway. If there is any hint of tampering the warranty is void. If for example the warranty is 5,000 hours, you remove the DPF and your turbo fails at 4,000 hours, it's all your bill. If the engine has not been tampered with its the company's bill. Just one thing to keep in mind when you start stripping things off the engine.

Not only that, but companies are being shut down, fined, etc for selling emissions delete kits like the ones mentioned above. I wouldn't put it past them going after somebody publishing a free system for doing the same thing.

 

[drizler]

Mine has done it twice, once at 14 hours and another at 25 hours...

That seems a lot. What are you burning, fuel oil or high sulphur diesel maybe?

 

[RalphVa]

I mainly don't idle my diesels because they're using fuel even when idling. If I have to get off my tractor, it's far safer and more fuel efficient to shut it down (in gear for the safety). If stopped at a long traffic light with the TDI, I shut it down.

Ralph

 

[onceacop]

Looking at my Massey 1758 manual, it says to idle for 30 minutes in temps below 0F,, 1200 rmp.... I have HYD trans, So assume a lot of winter operation will increase my soot levels? What fuel would add less soot to an engine? It's -18F out so I am limited to #1 plus additives.

 

[MAN IN BLACK]

To all of you who don't idle their diesel engines...
What do you do in situations as described below ?
I run a 3 pt hitch wood splitter from the tractor hydraulic system.
I split 20 cords of wood...takes me a few afternoons , tractor idling or almost (1000/1200 rpm's)all the time...not counting the winching part in the woods.
I'm not going to run the winch or the splitter at full throttle...just makes no sense !

 

[RandyT]

Not only that, but companies are being shut down, fined, etc for selling emissions delete kits like the ones mentioned above. I wouldn't put it past them going after somebody publishing a free system for doing the same thing.

And as of 2010 they have the capability and the authority to fine the end user also.

 

[Catchad81]

That seems a lot. What are you burning, fuel oil or high sulphur diesel maybe?

Whatever the dealer put in it.

 

[vtwinhd]

Just a quick update from the original poster(me) I now have 25 hours on my 3901 it went into regen once at 15 hours and once at 24 hours. Seams like a bit much it has been really cold here though in north east Ohio, single digits temps.

 

[GManBart]

Just a quick update from the original poster(me) I now have 25 hours on my 3901 it went into regen once at 15 hours and once at 24 hours. Seams like a bit much it has been really cold here though in north east Ohio, single digits temps.

I don't know if cold outside temps make a huge difference (probably doesn't help), but it sounds like the light loader work you're doing might be causing the more frequent regens. If it were mine, I might try running it at PTO speed for 5-10 minutes every hour and see what happens. That won't hurt anything since the engine is designed to run at that speed for thousands of hours, will only slightly increase fuel usage, and might extend the regen cycle.

 

[RalphVa]

I don't follow manual recommendations regarding idling when cold. I start it up, get it going smothly (usually about a minute or two at most) and start working. Snow plowing work can usually be done at around 1,800 rpm or so. Main thing is to have lo vis hydraulic fluid. If you use high vis hydraulic fluid (maybe in deep south) and it's very cold, maybe you need to warm it up (with a heater directing heat underneath the hydraulic reservoir would be better than letting it idle).

I also don't believe my diesel generator manual when it says to change the cooling fluid after one year or 1,000 hours. GET SERIOUS! I'm going to 1,000 hours! It also says not to use it much until broken in for 50 hours. GET SERIOUS! I'm not going to waste fuel by running it for 2 1/2 days! It'll get plenty of on/off work with the 15 minutes on every 2 weeks until it builds up 50 hours. You have to take manual stuff with a grain of realism and not legalism.

Ralph

 

[pmsmechanic]

To all of you who don't idle their diesel engines...
What do you do in situations as described below ?
I run a 3 pt hitch wood splitter from the tractor hydraulic system.
I split 20 cords of wood...takes me a few afternoons , tractor idling or almost (1000/1200 rpm's)all the time...not counting the winching part in the woods.
I'm not going to run the winch or the splitter at full throttle...just makes no sense !

I would do this the same way you are. I can't say it would make me happy. What I would try to do after the extended idling is do something with the tractor that works it for an hour or so.