Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

[k0ua]

Bought in April..I am good to go. This figured into my thoughts among other things.. Even if it is not true, about the 3000 dollar increase I still got a nice tractor at a nice price. If it is true, I got a nice tractor at a really nice price

James K0UA

 

[MasseyWV]

Dream on buddy. Chances of having quality parts to keep that old iron in working order 25-50 yrs from now??? I hope so but have put my money on a new ( then 25 yr old) Kubota for my uses. There are reasons you dont see the for- profit farmers running the old tracotors in their business they do get worn out and need to be replaced. I am in a position to buy what i want now and have it paid for and hopefully it will be with me when I get planted, then go on to my child and her family

Fortunately, I am not a for-profit farmer. And while I hope I'm still able to drive my tractor in 25 years, I think it's safe to say that 50 years is of no concern to me because I'll probably be worm buffet by that time.

Like you, I could easily buy a new tractor now, but as I mentioned previously, I can't justify dropping 20-30k on what amounts to being little more than an expensive toy. That may not be what for-profit dealers want to hear, but it's a harsh reality that they must face every day from people like me who have decided to shop "smart" by buying only what we need, as opposed to buying what we want.

There is a place/need/desire for old and new; just gotta figure which is best for our needs.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

 

[joshuabardwell]

I look forward to my 2012 model-year tractor going up in value significantly if I ever decide to sell it. WOO HOO! I think I'll buy two or three more tractors just to hedge my bets.

 

[arrow]

A question about longevity of parts availability come to mind. If in a couple of years there are nothing but Tier 4 engines made, will there be any possible effects of providing engine parts for tractors bought today if there is such an incompatibility from now to the near future? In other words: will obsolescence arrive faster say within a ten year period?

 

[PoorPlowboy]

When the US went to unleaded gas did they add 3000 bucks to the car price?

This post shows that you have absolutely no clue what is involved in Tier 4.

 

[bucktaker]

Fortunately, I am not a for-profit farmer. And while I hope I'm still able to drive my tractor in 25 years, I think it's safe to say that 50 years is of no concern to me because I'll probably be worm buffet by that time.

Like you, I could easily buy a new tractor now, but as I mentioned previously, I can't justify dropping 20-30k on what amounts to being little more than an expensive toy. That may not be what for-profit dealers want to hear, but it's a harsh reality that they must face every day from people like me who have decided to shop "smart" by buying only what we need, as opposed to buying what we want.



Exactly! :thumbsup:

My MF 35 is a 1963 model just like me!! I will be keeping it until a fair price is offered , its prime working days are over even though with a completely restored engine,drivetrain it will work for another forty years I,m not betting the farm on keeping it running/working forever Part of my buying new now was to have a resonablly aged tractor when I am in my 60's didnt want to be depending on a 60 plus year old tractor to keep up the place. I gave up on justifying my wants/needs. it never works out.

 

[PoorPlowboy]

A question about longevity of parts availability come to mind. If in a couple of years there are nothing but Tier 4 engines made, will there be any possible effects of providing engine parts for tractors bought today if there is such an incompatibility from now to the near future? In other words: will obsolescence arrive faster say within a ten year period?

You're in the interim Tier 4 period right now, and you can still buy Tier 1-3 parts from name brand manufacturers can you not?

 

[MasseyWV]

My MF 35 is a 1963 model just like me!! I will be keeping it until a fair price is offered , its prime working days are over even though with a completely restored engine,drivetrain it will work for another forty years I,m not betting the farm on keeping it running/working forever Part of my buying new now was to have a resonablly aged tractor when I am in my 60's didnt want to be depending on a 60 plus year old tractor to keep up the place. I gave up on justifying my wants/needs. it never works out.

You might just be surprised. That 1963 model tractor just might out last many of the newer over-complicated tractors made today. If not, they are relatively cheap and plentiful so finding a decent replacement would not be difficult.

Seriously, as I have torn into the guts of my 1966 Massey 135 tractor while restoring it, I can't help but marvel at the sheer simplicity and durability of the design. Sure, there are some things I might have liked to have seen done differently, like having an external transmission filter, but overall it's a sound and reliable design. They truely don't make them like they used to.

 

[powaw]

Our new 5740 with attachments will be delivered next week. I can't wait! I went in to order a 4240 and after listening to me the dealer offered a 5740 for almost the same price. Not all dealers are trying to profit from peoples insecurities. I have to admit though that I knew tier 4f was coming and wanted the newest last gen that I could get. If they weren't jumping tiers I would have waited longer. Probably until I died and then wouldn't have needed one anyway. :laughing: So while everyone is discussing whether the sky is falling, it was the push I needed. Sure it's a lot of money, but you can't take it with you so you might as well buy something to make life easier.

 

[crazyal]

Anyone think Obama's EPA coming out with the new standard of 54.5 mpg average for vehicles sold in 2025 isn't going to cost the consumer a lot more than $3000? Who said that the government is looking out for the little guy, not me.

 

[dschuffert]

I have a 2011 F250 Powerstroke Diesel that is Tier 4 compliant. It has a diesel particulate filter, a complete separate cooling system for the EGR valve - it's own coolant tank and radiator along with it's own water pump, and uses DEF when needed. A lot of cost, hassle, and maintenance to prevent soot and clean the air. I lose at least 3 MPG when the system goes into regeneration to clean the DPF. This is the exact strategy the John Deere has posted on their Tier 4 compliance information page. I often wonder, but have no way to really measure it, whether the reduced MPG which causes me to burn more fuel to get somewhere but cleaner exhaust is better for the environment or to have a dirtier exhaust but burn less fuel.......

 

[roush9799]

I can see the tier thing is good for the environment, but, I think they are trying to shove all these tiers at the engine companies way too fast. If they had time to work on it and perfect it before having to meet the next standard, I don't think there would be much of a problem. But, they have been scrambling trying to find a quick fix to be able to stay in business while they figure out what they really need to do for the long term.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Another issue with Tier IV and the regeneration issue is that we don't know how this will effect the longevity of the engine...
My 03 Power Stroke is the older 7.3 and I plan on keeping it until I die...
Doubt very seriously if I will ever buy another diesel pickup truck...

 

[Turbys_1700]

Another issue with Tier IV and the regeneration issue is that we don't know how this will effect the longevity of the engine...
My 03 Power Stroke is the older 7.3 and I plan on keeping it until I die...
Doubt very seriously if I will ever buy another diesel pickup truck...

 

[bucktaker]

Another issue with Tier IV and the regeneration issue is that we don't know how this will effect the longevity of the engine...
My 03 Power Stroke is the older 7.3 and I plan on keeping it until I die...
Doubt very seriously if I will ever buy another diesel pickup truck...

Very Smart to keep the 03 7.3 PSD I traded my 00 7.3 for a 03 6.0 PSD lasted 5 yrs 75K miles and three turbos Big mistake!!! Traded it on a 07 Classic GMC 3500 Duramax. The last of the pre DPF models. I too will keep this one along time and will not buy another diesel if things keep going the way they are!!

 

[texasjohn]

It never ceases to amaze me how denial and suspicion surfaces so quickly and strongly, motivated only by a fact based honest post. Seems to be an immediate life long response to any change, real or imagined, for some people.

Sure, Messick is in business and is surely open about it, which is honorable. However, several well known TBN members have corroborated his conclusion/information by already putting their money into a new tractor before Tier 4 arrives.

 

[LMan1967]

Agreed. I thought most everyone here was adult enough to read the OP and decide for himself its validity. If you disagree with the OPs position thats fine, but the imputing of evil motives and conspiracy is ridiculous and irrelevant.

 

[k0ua]

Exactly, Messicks, is not the first or only source that has mentioned the coming price increase about Tier 4 Final. I suspect there will be a significant price increase. How much remains to be seen. But you don't put parts on a machine for free, and any new technology cost's money. Especially at first.

James K0UA

 

[arrow]

You're in the interim Tier 4 period right now, and you can still buy Tier 1-3 parts from name brand manufacturers can you not?

You are missing my point. As the government gets its way, pretty soon you won't be able to buy T 12 fluorescents much longer. If they can do this, what's to stop them in saying parts manufacturing for older engines will not be allowed as these engines continue to harm the environment. We have an EPA that has found a friendly administration and as a result, seems to be little in the way to stop their fervor.

 

[Piston]

They're not going to stop manufacturers from making parts for older engines, they're just not going to make any more of the older style engines. It's like old antique cars, they aren't taking them all away from us, they just aren't making the dirty emission engines any longer. You don't need to pass emissions with your antique car, but of course they're not replacing the antique cars that go away.

I don't know why everyone is freaking out about these Tier 4 engines. It's not the end of the tractor world guys, it's a change we have to deal with yea, but it's not the end like some of you make it out to be.