Tier 4

[grm61]

Wow, this turned from informative to a real emotionally driven pursuit against technology and the folks that tried to explain the new equipment knowledgeably. ShowRoomShine does know what he's talking about, he's been to numerous functions that have went into Tier 4 technology in depth. How do I know? Because the company he sells tractors for is the same company I have done training for the last two years. Case has done millions of hours of testing on this "new" equipment for many years. .

Wow, thats wierd, because I 'm pretty sure LS makes the cuts FOR Case IH, none of the tier 3 LS cuts were computer controlled to my knowledge.
The OP was inquiring about the differences between a tier3 Cut and a tier4 Cut.

 

[bajabum]

Not to change the thread (too much) but why does my Ford dealer send me a postcard every few months trying to buy back my 2004 F250 with the supposedly horrible 6.0 diesel?

I've heard there's a premium for the earlier pre 200? diesels.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Not to change the thread (too much) but why does my Ford dealer send me a postcard every few months trying to buy back my 2004 F250 with the supposedly horrible 6.0 diesel?

I've heard there's a premium for the earlier pre 200? diesels.

Because your Ford dealer makes a living by selling things.

Most new car sales legitimatize the far more profitable used car sales operation (I have a friend that does accounting for auto dealers).

 

[ShowroomShine]

Would you please tell me who makes the TIER 3 CUT that is computer controlled, and has the display that says regen?

As I've said in an earlier post, I am referring to larger machines. Yes the OP was talking about CUT's, however the subject has been modified in 8 pages of posts to where I felt the need to give an example for larger equipment.

Yes, on a 50hp and under tractor, you will likely incur some cost and extra wiring due to Tier 4 emissions. Over 50hp (and especially over 75hp), you'd hardly notice the difference if it wasent there. I'm trying to give examples as to why Tier 4 should not be viewed as a bad thing.

As Diller23 said, if you dont like it, dont buy it. Simple as that.

 

[Jim Nelson]

My problem with all this isn't the technology but rather the reason behind the need for it.Anything mandated by the government should be looked at closely.If you look at geology it's obvious that climate and weather has changed since the beginning of time and will continue til the end and there is nothing you or I or some flannel mouthed politician can do about it. We can adapt to it as we have with modern homes equipped with heating and cooling but that all comes with a cost which we must decide if it's worth it in our individual instance. To have the government say we all have to conform to any standard they deem acceptable just goes against the grain with me.As some many guys have posted here,most of us use our tractors minimally and cause little or no pollution yet get stuck with the cost.
Yes I am sick and tired of what our government has become and am prejudiced against them but I try to use common sense when looking at this, as I think most of us do,but I think too many people are willing to accept whatever they force on us and that's not good in the long run. The only thing government creates is more government and all this regulation of engines is a prime example.
Again, to be clear, the technology is not what I object to ,but the reason behind it.

 

[chopped]

WELL SAID>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My problem with all this isn't the technology but rather the reason behind the need for it.Anything mandated by the government should be looked at closely.If you look at geology it's obvious that climate and weather has changed since the beginning of time and will continue til the end and there is nothing you or I or some flannel mouthed politician can do about it. We can adapt to it as we have with modern homes equipped with heating and cooling but that all comes with a cost which we must decide if it's worth it in our individual instance. To have the government say we all have to conform to any standard they deem acceptable just goes against the grain with me.As some many guys have posted here,most of us use our tractors minimally and cause little or no pollution yet get stuck with the cost.
Yes I am sick and tired of what our government has become and am prejudiced against them but I try to use common sense when looking at this, as I think most of us do,but I think too many people are willing to accept whatever they force on us and that's not good in the long run. The only thing government creates is more government and all this regulation of engines is a prime example.
Again, to be clear, the technology is not what I object to ,but the reason behind it.

 

[bilrus61]

Ok my Kubota M7040 has EGR. That means some of the particles stay in the oil rather than the exaust. Ok now when I change out my oil I return it to my dealer that burns it in a oil fired heater they use to heat their shop in winter. Ok don't that mean the prticles end up in the air anyhow??

 

[GManBart]

My problem with all this isn't the technology but rather the reason behind the need for it.Anything mandated by the government should be looked at closely.If you look at geology it's obvious that climate and weather has changed since the beginning of time and will continue til the end and there is nothing you or I or some flannel mouthed politician can do about it. We can adapt to it as we have with modern homes equipped with heating and cooling but that all comes with a cost which we must decide if it's worth it in our individual instance. To have the government say we all have to conform to any standard they deem acceptable just goes against the grain with me.As some many guys have posted here,most of us use our tractors minimally and cause little or no pollution yet get stuck with the cost.
Yes I am sick and tired of what our government has become and am prejudiced against them but I try to use common sense when looking at this, as I think most of us do,but I think too many people are willing to accept whatever they force on us and that's not good in the long run. The only thing government creates is more government and all this regulation of engines is a prime example.
Again, to be clear, the technology is not what I object to ,but the reason behind it.

If you think all of this clean air stuff is nonsense, look at what is happening in China. They ran rampant for years, and now it's so bad they're starting to implement measures to reduce the rights of people to own regular cars. Yes, their main problem is coal power plants, but it all adds up.

 

[dave1949]

Ok my Kubota M7040 has EGR. That means some of the particles stay in the oil rather than the exaust. Ok now when I change out my oil I return it to my dealer that burns it in a oil fired heater they use to heat their shop in winter. Ok don't that mean the prticles end up in the air anyhow??

I'll bet they do, however that's sort of like saying it's okay to shoot someone because they are going to die anyways. :laughing:

Waste oil furnace pollution is not an excuse for engine pollution. How many gallons of oil are burned in low-tech waste oil furnaces compared to the gallons of diesel fuel burned in an ever-growing number of engines? Yes, in a perfect world that waste oil furnace would need to meet stricter standards too.

Expecting that everyone and everything should be perfect before we ourselves should be troubled to do something is unrealistic, among other attributes.

 

[the old grind]

China's problem is locally contained as in SoCal's fog & smog zone driven by geography, weather, and civilization working in unison. Long ago, Native American campfires there foretold conditions that have continued into our time.

Temperature fluctuations have peaks & valleys, short term and long term. Much of the recent hubbub is the result of seeing a rapid change over say two decades and projecting it into the future as both trends are seen together racing upward. Think that an stock or your home's value will rise indefinitely? Well in financing that's called a bubble.

While recent attitudes seem alarmist, it's a greater perspective that shows a gradual long-term temp rise. What many of us in our inertia are struggling with is a perceived attitude that since we're considered by some a major cause and our efforts to forestall aren't enough without showing a halt or perhaps reversal of the progression. (not likely)

What can't be denied is that the planet is heating up. But, what upsets many of us is feeling we're being asked to 'fix' this thru' drastic measures within our own generation. It's gonna get worse for us, but for the long term we'd be wise if not content to accept it one way or another. IMO a few years of temp decline wouldn't do more than stir the debate.

'Green' concepts will bear out over time but our contribution either way can't or won't be quantified to the nth degree in a mere lifetime. IMO pollution warrants our attention on par with temp rise, as we might suffocate ourselves long before we cook ourselves. If governments aren't doing the right things, at least they're getting our attention. :2cents: