tillers

[EverythingAttachments]

Well, If we could get reverse rotation capable on a forward rotation tiller like Tarter at basically the same price point as KK, progress will indeed may made. What is the tine scroll diameter on the KK? It is 16" in the Tarter which should give about a max tilling depth of 7 inches, if buried to the axle. Forward or reverse capabilities all come in the same machine on the 4 ft, 5 ft and 6 ft Tarter. Ken Sweet

I was only asking for the same info on the tarter that I provided for the KK.
I can't imagine anyone taking 1-2hrs to reverse a new tiller that was really made for forward rotation;
I think they'd just purchase a reverse rotation tiller with a guard to protect the tractor and operator from flying rocks.
I'm not sure of the measurement you asked for but someone can surely provide us with that. If tarter did a good copy job, they should be pretty close!

 

[sweettractors]

I was only asking for the same info on the tarter that I provided for the KK.
I can't imagine anyone taking 1-2hrs to reverse a new tiller that was really made for forward rotation;
I think they'd just purchase a reverse rotation tiller with a guard to protect the tractor and operator from flying rocks.
I'm not sure of the measurement you asked for but someone can surely provide us with that. If tarter did a good copy job, they should be pretty close!

If Tarter copied, KK should be reversable also? If KK don't reverse, Tarter is not a copy. Ken Sweet

 

[Tx Jim]

Ken
How are you determining a Tarter will till 7"s deep??

This was copied & pasted from the Tarter sales info. Adjustable runners for working depths from 1" to 4"

As far as changing from forward to reverse rotation one needs to remove gearbox & flip over plus reverse ALL tines.

 

[sweettractors]

Ken
How are you determining a Tarter will till 7"s deep??

This was copied & pasted from the Tarter sales info. Adjustable runners for working depths from 1" to 4"

As far as changing from forward to reverse rotation one needs to remove gearbox & flip over plus reverse ALL tines.

This has all been discussed in a recent TBN thread if you would like to do a search. Tarter is honest in their ads..1 pass = 4 inches. Everyone else say MAX 5-6-7-8 inches. Actually, you just measure your tine scroll diameter and divide that by 2 and then subtract approx 1 inch or so for the axle diameter. Runners sink in the loose dirt 2nd or 3rd pass. Ken SWeet

 

[Tx Jim]

Ken
Do Tarter tillers only come in the gray color?

 

[sweettractors]

Ken
Do Tarter tillers only come in the gray color?

I can get you yellow by special order. Ken Sweet

 

[Don87]

I was only asking for the same info on the tarter that I provided for the KK.
I can't imagine anyone taking 1-2hrs to reverse a new tiller that was really made for forward rotation;
I think they'd just purchase a reverse rotation tiller with a guard to protect the tractor and operator from flying rocks.
I'm not sure of the measurement you asked for but someone can surely provide us with that. If tarter did a good copy job, they should be pretty close!

Not trying to butt in on the argument you two have going.

But, I personally would do the conversion. I loved the job my old reverse tine tiller, hooked to my old Cub Cadet 2160 did on my garden. The bad part was that it was belt driven and a flat rock the size of a quarter would slice the belt in a heartbeat. On my ground, a reverse rotation tiller will dig deeper than a forward rotation.

 

[sweettractors]

Not trying to butt in on the argument you two have going.

But, I personally would do the conversion. I loved the job my old reverse tine tiller, hooked to my old Cub Cadet 2160 did on my garden. The bad part was that it was belt driven and a flat rock the size of a quarter would slice the belt in a heartbeat. On my ground, a reverse rotation tiller will dig deeper than a forward rotation.

You are butting in. Diversity in the marketplace is what makes the world go around. Ken Sweet

 

[Tx Jim]

Not trying to butt in on the argument you two have going..

No arguing on my part. I'm just trying to decide on which brand 7' tiller I want to buy. It's too bad the tines don't have a cutting edge on both sides so they don't require reversing when changing rotation.

 

[sweettractors]

No arguing on my part. I'm just trying to decide on which brand 7' tiller I want to buy. It's too bad the tines don't have a cutting edge on both sides so they don't require reversing when changing rotation.

If the tines were sharpened on the back, the "rake relief" would be backward. Ken Sweet

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Yea, no arguing here.....just some old fashion comparing.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Forward vs. Reverse Tine is personal preference and we've learned that many more people prefer forward.
I just learned that Sicma Phoenix is not even making reverse tine tillers anymore because of the very low demand.

 

[Don87]

Forward vs. Reverse Tine is personal preference and we've learned that many more people prefer forward.
I just learned that Sicma Phoenix is not even making reverse tine tillers anymore because of the very low demand.

Wow.

I purchased the one I have because my Massey dealer had it in stock. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but if he would have had a reverse rotation or something changeable, it would be in my garage now.

And I guess I should have chosen the word 'discussion' instead of 'argument'.

 

[Tx Jim]

If the tines were sharpened on the back, the "rake relief" would be backward. Ken Sweet

I graduated from college way back when but could you explain "rake relief"?? Back when I was growing up "rake relief" was laying the leaf rake handle on the ground.

 

[Tx Jim]

On my ground, a reverse rotation tiller will dig deeper than a forward rotation.

I can't envision how reverse rotation will penetrate any deeper given the exact same conditions. One way the tiller is trying to push tractor and the opposite way the tractor is having to pull the tiller.

 

[Don87]

I can't envision how reverse rotation will penetrate any deeper given the exact same conditions. One way the tiller is trying to push tractor and the opposite way the tractor is having to pull the tiller.

It tends to 'suck' the tiller down into the ground with reverse rotation. But tine design plays a part in this also. My Bush Hog tiller will dig deeper than my BIL's KKII tiller because of tine design and the length of the tines. KK and Tarter are using the 'L' shaped tine, mine uses a 'C' shaped tine.

 

[Baby Grand]

No arguing on my part. I'm just trying to decide on which brand 7' tiller I want to buy. It's too bad the tines don't have a cutting edge on both sides so they don't require reversing when changing rotation.

I think the reversal procedure also involves removing the spindle, turning it 180 deg and reinstalling it so the tines have the sharp edge on the cutting side.

 

[sweettractors]

I think the reversal procedure also involves removing the spindle, turning it 180 deg and reinstalling it so the tines have the sharp edge on the cutting side.

That is correct. Ken Sweet

 

[shysterk]

Its my understanding that forward rotation could actually push the tractor forward because the tines are moving in the same direction as the tractor. Now it is just dirt we are talking about, but I guess I could now see how a reverse rotation could be beneficial. I came here looking to see which direction, and what size I should be looking for to use on a Kubota L3830hst. Anybody got this tractor and using a tiller?

 

[sweettractors]

Its my understanding that forward rotation could actually push the tractor forward because the tines are moving in the same direction as the tractor. Now it is just dirt we are talking about, but I guess I could now see how a reverse rotation could be beneficial. I came here looking to see which direction, and what size I should be looking for to use on a Kubota L3830hst. Anybody got this tractor and using a tiller?

The "Tarter Mfg" tillers will run forward or reverse in the 4-5-6 Ft sizes. Ken Sweet