Todays shop time.

[4570Man]

Yep me too. And it is raining also. Got the tablesaw chores out of the way, now finally replacing the last of the fluorescent fixtures with LEDs. I get a lot of use out of the old HF rolling scaffold but these days I add safety chains. My balance and also bounce-ability not what it used to be.

I put in hot water and a big sink about 8 years ago very nice!

I put ratchet straps across the top. A little tension to take the slop out makes them a lot sturdier.

 

[downsizingnow48]

That's a good idea!

 

[dragoneggs]

Pieced together two pieces of scrap from the black ribbed thin vinyl floor runner I used for the countertop and put it down on the cabinet base to finish it off. Trying to decide if I should add a couple of swinging doors on the sink cabinet or keep the utilitarian look (which I kinda like) and save a few dollars on hardware?

 

[lostcreekranch]

Pieced together two pieces of scrap from the black ribbed thin vinyl floor runner I used for the countertop and put it down on the cabinet base to finish it off. Trying to decide if I should add a couple of swinging doors on the sink cabinet or keep the utilitarian look (which I kinda like) and save a few dollars on hardware?

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DE .. can you post info .. on your little water heater?

 

[dragoneggs]

DE .. can you post info .. on your little water heater?

Sure... did a bunch of research and settled on this one. Bosch 4 gallon that runs on 110v. There is a 2.5gal version and a 7gal (220v) but I figured this will handle 5gal bucket of hot water and all the hand washing I can throw at it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0148O65IE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[lostcreekranch]

Sure... did a bunch of research and settled on this one. Bosch 4 gallon that runs on 110v. There is a 2.5gal version and a 7gal (220v) but I figured this will handle 5gal bucket of hot water and all the hand washing I can throw at it.

Bosch Electric Mini-Tank Water Heater Tronic 3 T 4-Gallon (ES4) - Eliminate Time for Hot Water - Shelf, Wall or Floor Mounted - - Amazon.com

Weird! Your link says Amazon but .. it takes me to that WH on eBay?

How long does it take to get hot water from when you turn it on?

We're rebuilding our outdoor kitchen and I'd like to replace the small conventional WH that cost electricity to keep water hot 24/7.

Looks like the Bosch is about 1/2 the size of our existing one.

Thanks!

Edit: the price on eBay is $258. On Amazon $178.


Bosch Electric Mini-Tank Water Heater Tronic 3000 T 4-Gallon (ES4) - Eliminate Time for Hot Water - Shelf, Wall or Floor Mounted Bosch Electric Mini-Tank Water Heater Tronic 3 T 4-Gallon (ES4) - Eliminate Time for Hot Water - Shelf, Wall or Floor Mounted - - Amazon.com

 

[dragoneggs]

Weird! Your link says Amazon but .. it takes me to that WH on eBay?

How long does it take to get hot water from when you turn it on?

We're rebuilding our outdoor kitchen and I'd like to replace the small conventional WH that cost electricity to keep water hot 24/7.

Looks like the Bosch is about 1/2 the size of our existing one.

Thanks!

Edit: the price on eBay is $258. On Amazon $178.


Bosch Electric Mini-Tank Water Heater Tronic 3000 T 4-Gallon (ES4) - Eliminate Time for Hot Water - Shelf, Wall or Floor Mounted Bosch Electric Mini-Tank Water Heater Tronic 3 T 4-Gallon (ES4) - Eliminate Time for Hot Water - Shelf, Wall or Floor Mounted - - Amazon.com

Just went out to check.... One one thousand, two one thousand, three...

 

[lostcreekranch]

Just went out to check.... One one thousand, two one thousand, three...

Wow! That's fast.

 

[dragoneggs]

Wow! That's fast.

Since the water tank is hot and directly under the faucet it only has to travel a couple feet or so of flex braided supply line. Since my faucet is tall and the hose head is retractable it has a little longer to go than a typical sink hook up. You might cut a second off your time if you had a shorter run. :laughing:



Notice the T on the cold side. This is where the cold supply line gets split for hot and cold water. Don't do what I almost did and hook up the supply to the pressure relieve valve thinking the red and blue are your hot and cold outlets to your faucet.

 

[lostcreekranch]

Since the water tank is hot and directly under the faucet it only has to travel a couple feet or so of flex braided supply line. Since my faucet is tall and the hose head is retractable it has a little longer to go than a typical sink hook up. You might cut a second off your time if you had a shorter run. :laughing:

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Notice the T on the cold side. This is where the cold supply line gets split for hot and cold water. Don't do what I almost did and hook up the supply to the pressure relieve valve thinking the red and blue are your hot and cold outlets to your faucet.

So .. it keeps 4 gallons heated all the time? If it's off, any idea how long to get to temperature? I probably wouldn't want to run it constantly .. in our O/D kitchen.

 

[LouNY]

Since the water tank is hot and directly under the faucet it only has to travel a couple feet or so of flex braided supply line. Since my faucet is tall and the hose head is retractable it has a little longer to go than a typical sink hook up. You might cut a second off your time if you had a shorter run. :laughing:

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Notice the T on the cold side. This is where the cold supply line gets split for hot and cold water. Don't do what I almost did and hook up the supply to the pressure relieve valve thinking the red and blue are your hot and cold outlets to your faucet.

What is the temperature rise on that 120 volt unit under continuous flow?
If you open the faucet up full do you see a decrease in temperature after a few minutes?
Thanks

 

[dragoneggs]

So .. it keeps 4 gallons heated all the time? If it's off, any idea how long to get to temperature? I probably wouldn't want to run it constantly .. in our O/D kitchen.

Yes, keeps the water heated. Not exactly how long it took when I first turned it on but I'm guessing I checked in about an hour after plugging it in and I had hot water. I'm hoping since it is rated at 98% efficiency and only being 4gal, the energy use/cost is minimal. I plan to get a kill-a-watt device and do some measuring.

What is the temperature rise on that 120 volt unit under continuous flow?
If you open the faucet up full do you see a decrease in temperature after a few minutes?
Thanks

Still need to put it through its paces and do some measurements being the geek I am but looking at the specs...
1440watts (120v @12amp)
Recovery Rate @ 90ｰF Rise = 6.8gph
Temp range = 65degF to 145degF

Okay decided to go out and do a crude test and learned I don't trust our dial temp (cooking) gauges in water. Switched to a cheap digital thermometer with probe and here are my crude findings...

Temp set (measured... no indicator on unit) = 135degF

Note: unit set in between 'ideal' and 'max' settings.

Cold water supply measured at 52degF

Filling a 5gal bucket... and after about running a little more than 2gal the temp started dropping. At roughly 3gal, temp of running water dropped to 125degF. Stopped there. Now very glad I got the 4gal vs. 2.5gal tank size for about $20 more. I don't figure I will need much more than a 2/3 bucket of hot water at a time but now curious as to actual recovery so timing that now.

Okay I missed the heating light turning off but it was less than 15min for it to recover. Maybe 10 or so?

 

[lostcreekranch]

Yes, keeps the water heated. Not exactly how long it took when I first turned it on but I'm guessing I checked in about an hour after plugging it in and I had hot water. I'm hoping since it is rated at 98% efficiency and only being 4gal, the energy use/cost is minimal. I plan to get a kill-a-watt device and do some measuring.


Still need to put it through its paces and do some measurements being the geek I am but looking at the specs...
1440watts (120v @12amp)
Recovery Rate @ 90ｰF Rise = 6.8gph
Temp range = 65degF to 145degF

Okay decided to go out and do a crude test and learned I don't trust our dial temp (cooking) gauges in water. Switched to a cheap digital thermometer with probe and here are my crude findings...

Temp set (measured... no indicator on unit) = 135degF

Note: unit set in between 'ideal' and 'max' settings.

Cold water supply measured at 52degF

Filling a 5gal bucket... and after about running a little more than 2gal the temp started dropping. At roughly 3gal, temp of running water dropped to 125degF. Stopped there. Now very glad I got the 4gal vs. 2.5gal tank size for about $20 more. I don't figure I will need much more than a 2/3 bucket of hot water at a time but now curious as to actual recovery so timing that now.

Okay I missed the heating light turning off but it was less than 15min for it to recover. Maybe 10 or so?

Thanks! Good information.

Here's the power meter I have. There are cheaper ones available but, this one gives you lots of information.

Poniie PN2000 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord Poniie PN2 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord - - Amazon.com

 

[dragoneggs]

Thanks! Good information.

Here's the power meter I have. There are cheaper ones available but, this one gives you lots of information.

Poniie PN2000 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord Poniie PN2 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord - - Amazon.com

Ha... funny as I just ordered this exact one on Amazon this earlier today! I've never used anything but a multimeter before so looking forward to this tool for measuring electricity usage of various tools/appliances especially my new mini water heater. Want to know if I should be leaving it on all of the time or maybe on a timer?

 

[lostcreekranch]

Ha... funny as I just ordered this exact one on Amazon this earlier today! I've never used anything but a multimeter before so looking forward to this tool for measuring electricity usage of various tools/appliances especially my new mini water heater. Want to know if I should be leaving it on all of the time or maybe on a timer?

Just hook it up .. when you want to monitor a value.

 

[dragoneggs]

Just hook it up .. when you want to monitor a value.

No, I mean I want to learn if I should leave the water heater on all of the time or on a timer based on energy usage.

 

[KubotainNH]

Pieced together two pieces of scrap from the black ribbed thin vinyl floor runner I used for the countertop and put it down on the cabinet base to finish it off. Trying to decide if I should add a couple of swinging doors on the sink cabinet or keep the utilitarian look (which I kinda like) and save a few dollars on hardware?

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Neat setup. My opinion would be add doors to minimize dust. Plus they'll look great seeing the rest of your creations do.

 

[dragoneggs]

Thanks! Good information.

Here's the power meter I have. There are cheaper ones available but, this one gives you lots of information.

Poniie PN2000 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord Poniie PN2 Plug-in Kilowatt Electricity Usage Monitor Electrical Power Consumption Watt Meter Tester w/ Extension Cord - - Amazon.com

Came in the mail today... plugged it in. Suppose I should read the mini manual and see what I need to do to get this reporting out info! :laughing:

 

[lostcreekranch]

Came in the mail today... plugged it in. Suppose I should read the mini manual and see what I need to do to get this reporting out info! :laughing:

You'll .. do fine.

 

[dragoneggs]

You'll .. do fine.

Ha ha... kidding. First observation is that when the water heater is running I am burning about 0.3kW per minute. I am paying just under $0.11/kW once I blow past the base rate of $0.09/kW. Only takes a couple minutes for it to recover during hand wash or small bucket fills. So maybe I'm spending 3 or so cents at a time unless I fill a big bucket. No clue yet on the kW used just for holding temp...

But once I allow this to run for a few days I will be able to report back some rough daily/monthly usage costs for a minimal use sink. If I haven't bored everyone at this point, I will report back further findings. I realize this is a thread dedicated to shop time, not my silly shop sink time! :laughing: