too much Power Service == Busted Engine??

[tsterkel]

Here is the tale of woe.
32 HP 25 year old Kubota, in middle winter pasture cleanup, CLANG-CLANG-CLANG-you get it!

Local tractor mechanic opens it up and sees broken rod and piston.

He also says that the diesel is "smelling strong." He asks if I have been using lots of power service. I proudly say "YES", I got a great deal locally when a farm store sold out. He said that he sees engine damage when too much PS is used.

Anyone else know about this?

 

[Killer_B]

Man, so sorry to hear about this. Sounds expensive.

How much did you put in there? Any explanation from the mechanic on exactly how PS causes this kind of damage?

Thanks,

KB

 

[gboudreau]

There as an article in Deisel Power Magazine awhile back featuring Power Service and they made the comment that using too much would not hurt the engine?????????

 

[frank_miller]

There as an article in Deisel Power Magazine awhile back featuring Power Service and they made the comment that using too much would not hurt the engine?????????

Is PS solvant based??? So if I fill my tank with 5X as much as needed it will not hurt?

 

[john_bud]

Which PS did you use? Silver, white or red bottle?

I don't think that PS would hurt your engine. Unless you were trying to run about a 50-50 mix of diesel and PS.... Is it possible that you added gasoline to the diesel? That will hurt it as it will burn much hotter than normal and would spike the combustion pressures from faster burn rate. Reasonable strengths of PS (or other flavors of additive) shouldn't damage the engine. If they did, it would be more from higher burn temperatures, which may lead to a hole in a piston, but not a thrown rod.

Were you lugging the engine down at the time? Very low rpms with very high loads? That can lead to rod / crank damage.


Post up some pictures of the carnage.

jb


Frank miller - All additives are solvent based. Heck, diesel is a solvent. Common ingredient in additives is "stoddard solvent" which is paint thinner aka mineral spirits. Other common one is "petroleum distillate" which is normally Kero. Naphtha is common also. Common light solvents like acetone are to fast burning and have negative lubricity. That can lead to wear issues in pumps and injectors, but not normally a thrown rod.

 

[frank_miller]

Frank miller - All additives are solvent based. Heck, diesel is a solvent. Common ingredient in additives is "stoddard solvent" which is paint thinner aka mineral spirits. Other common one is "petroleum distillate" which is normally Kero. Naphtha is common also. Common light solvents like acetone are to fast burning and have negative lubricity. That can lead to wear issues in pumps and injectors, but not normally a thrown rod.

There are additives that are not solvents. Is Lucas UCL a solvant, no!

 

[ChesapeakeMarine]

I asked a power service representative when I bought my diesel truck. He said over treating would not hurt the engine at all. He was fine with customers using more of their product... Seriously, he did say over treating would not hurt anything.

 

[Sully2]

Here is the tale of woe.
32 HP 25 year old Kubota, in middle winter pasture cleanup, CLANG-CLANG-CLANG-you get it!

Local tractor mechanic opens it up and sees broken rod and piston.

He also says that the diesel is "smelling strong." He asks if I have been using lots of power service. I proudly say "YES", I got a great deal locally when a farm store sold out. He said that he sees engine damage when too much PS is used.

Anyone else know about this?

I dont believe that overdosing would do any harm at all..

 

[Sully2]

Frank miller - All additives are solvent based. Heck, diesel is a solvent. Common ingredient in additives is "stoddard solvent" which is paint thinner aka mineral spirits. Other common one is "petroleum distillate" which is normally Kero. Naphtha is common also. Common light solvents like acetone are to fast burning and have negative lubricity. That can lead to wear issues in pumps and injectors, but not normally a thrown rod.

Ive read where people have posted..in various bulletin boards that diesel fuel IS a solvent and that is ISNT a solvent.

Ive had 2 greasy battery terminal adapters soaking in a 1lb metal coffee can for more than 2 years now..and periodically I'll swirl it around..and at times Ive had to add more diesel fuel because of evaporation...and to date the diesel fuel HASNT CUT ONE BIT of the grease off those terminal adapters??????????

 

[browns40]

I have heard that many of the naptha/petroleum distillate packages will cause an increase in metals showing up in a UOA (used oil analysis), notably copper... related to decreasing the lubricity of the fuel to an extent... posters have communicated the direct correlation to their use of "unnameable fuel additive" in that case anyway...

The Diesel Garage, Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forum, diesel Place are all good sites to read up on the new ULSD, 2 stroke oil, Power Service, Stanadyne, Lucas, etc...

If you had some wear that was getting worse, were using lower lubricity fuel (ULSD), and managed to thin it out considerably more over an extended period... and enough solvent managed to blow past the rings into your oil... that might be a recipe for disaster... I guess the thing is, everything eventually wears out, and it's the compounding effects of damage that determine how fast they do...

If you want to know for sure, I would look into getting that oil checked out to see what lurks in there...

Sorry for your loss anyway...

 

[elad]

How much Power Service is too much? I've over treated my JD 4110
many times with no aparent problems. So sorry about your problem;
but I have my doubts about the cause. Good Luck elad

 

[frank_miller]

I have heard that many of the naptha/petroleum distillate packages will cause an increase in metals showing up in a UOA (used oil analysis), notably copper... related to decreasing the lubricity of the fuel to an extent... posters have communicated the direct correlation to their use of "unnameable fuel additive" in that case anyway...

The Diesel Garage, Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forum, diesel Place are all good sites to read up on the new ULSD, 2 stroke oil, Power Service, Stanadyne, Lucas, etc...
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You ever run redline and view UOA's? You would see high copper first time around. That does not mean is it bad either. I have also run Amsoil PI and wears went through the roof! Also get the samething with Powerservice, that is why I do not use these two products anymore. I only use Fuel Power.

I take forum data like salesmen...with a brick of salt.

 

[RobS]

Ive read where people have posted..in various bulletin boards that diesel fuel IS a solvent and that is ISNT a solvent.
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Just about anything can be a solvent per this definition:

a substance that dissolves another to form a solution: Water is a solvent for sugar.

I'm sure diesel will dissolve something out there, thus it is likely a solvent.

 

[Builder]

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The Diesel Garage, Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forum, diesel Place are all good sites to read up on the new ULSD, 2 stroke oil, Power Service, Stanadyne, Lucas, etc...

yep, The Diesel Garage is a great place to pick up information.

I also would suggest "Howes" additives. I constantly see their products being sold & bought in big truck, tractor & equipment parts departments.

 

[Tig]

I'm curious about the engine damage.
Did the piston seize in the cylinder and snap the rod?
Is there any sign ofo scoring or excessive wear in the other clylinders?
If so where is it? High?, low? Any gouges, like from broken ring.
How was the crank bearing.

 

[Builder]

Could also be the service tech was told by the service manager to suggest too much additive was used to place the blame on the owner/operator so they could fend-off any warranty claims.

 

[SkyPup]

Here is the tale of woe.
32 HP 25 year old Kubota, in middle winter pasture cleanup, CLANG-CLANG-CLANG-you get it!

Local tractor mechanic opens it up and sees broken rod and piston.

He also says that the diesel is "smelling strong." He asks if I have been using lots of power service. I proudly say "YES", I got a great deal locally when a farm store sold out. He said that he sees engine damage when too much PS is used.

Anyone else know about this?

Don't believe this local tractor mechanic.......

 

[Mundy]

This is from a previous thread regarding Power service.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/oil-fuel-lubricants/111251-power-service-addaitve-3.html#post1275060

 

[frank_miller]

This is from a previous thread regarding Power service.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/oil-fuel-lubricants/111251-power-service-addaitve-3.html#post1275060

Good info and you still have people saying no...gotta love forums..

 

[LBrown59]

Why would there be a warranty on a 25year old tractor??

Could also be the service tech was told by the service manager to suggest too much additive was used to place the blame on the owner/operator so they could fend-off any warranty claims.