Took Down Pole barn 48 by 90, Move it and rebuild to 48 by 88 for $1 SQ FT

[Michelle K linnane]

I have a 30 by 40 and it is attached to a 48 by 90 pole barn, there is a wall at 28 feet and there is a 20 foot overhang on 48 by 90 part, this barn is 8 foot at the eaves. The entire barn has a metal ceiling inside which I wish to take it down and move also. The new Barn I wish to be 30 by 48 and use the 48 foot trusses. By using the over sized trusses I want to create 2 over hangs one side 10 foot over and the other side 8 foot over the length of the buildings. Obviously we will not be able to save the posts but the metal, and any lumber we can salvage. I will have to get someone in to take down trusses with a lift it would be perfect if we could take them off truck and then set them the same day. new site about 20 minutes away. My plan is to take as it much as I can.
I figured to try and hire the Amish to take apart the barn. The building materials alone for just the metal must be about $7,000 or $8000. I am in NY Montgomery county. Is there some place I can go plans that I will need for building permit to follow my ideas for this kind of building. If I can salvage the trusses and the metal and some of the lumber I will be way ahead of the game. The trusses where engineered for the snow load and length of the barn we are just moving the walls around.

Questions
1) What do you guys think? Does it sound that crazy? I think repurposing this barn which is in excellent shape not even 13 years old, will save me at least $12,000 in materials.
2) Where I can I get blue prints for something like this for building permit?
3) My plan is to even take the insulation, electric wiring, doors, windows this barn has outlets all over it all. Repurpose as much as I can so I do not have to buy so many materials.
4) if I want to go 10 foot at the eaves I was thinking of using a different color metal around the bottom of the barn 3 foot up from ground as a nice looking offset not sure if you guys know what I mean. Just need longer laminate 4 by 6s.
5) I am assuming the trusses are stamped to show snow load? The barn is in a different county only 20 minutes snow load all the same.


I am putting this out there as you guys have a lot of experience and would love to hear your opinions and ideas.
Don't be afraid to speak your mind like I need to tell this group that! I have a diagram attached kind of showing what I am talking about.

 

[3Ts]

Have you checked what the cost of:
- A new building built on-site?
- Cost of labor to dismantle the barn?
- Cost of moving the materials even though it's "only" 20 minutes away?
- How long is it going to take to dismantle it? Do you have a deadline that this has to be removed?

I've found that it is typically cheaper to build new than to dismantle a building and move it and re-build with it. I think the only way you'll come out ahead is if you have free labor.

 

[EddieWalker]

In my very limited experience with houses, not barns, it never adds up to save the materials from one building to use to build another building. The amount of time that it takes to take it apart, clean up the material so it's usable, transport it, store it so it's organized and ready to use, and able to survive the weather all adds up to a huge waste of effort that could be better used focusing on the building of what you want with new material.

Another thing to consider is how much of what you salvage, will you actually be able to reuse? If you can get half of it into the new building, I'd be surprised. Time to do this is easily 4 times what most people that I've met have figured it would take.

I wouldn't do it.

 

[Barnbuilder]

Getting the metal off is easy, but when its reinstalled everything better line up with the screw/nail holes or you're screwed.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

- yes for a smaller building 30 by 48 without any over hangs the building materials are $15,000 to $20,000 the building I am talking about repurposing with doors and windows was $75,000 14 years.
this building has 10 windows 8 walk through doors and metal on the ceiling and side inside. and over head door.
- It should not take more then 2 days to take the metal off the barn and another day for the Trusses. this is assuming 2 or 3 men.
let just say if I find I do by the hour and they make $60 an hour. that is $480 a day per man. for 3 days that is $4320
- even if it costs me $1000 to move materials. I am mostly interested in all the metal and the trusses.
- Want to do as soon as possible

 

[Michelle K linnane]

I have the orginal plans from the barn

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Eddie what I am mostly interested in is the trusses and metal I know I will need new laminate beams and lumber This is a lot building material sitting there.
the metal the windows and the door are worth alot

 

[EddieWalker]

It does sound like you have it all well thought out. A friend of mine just took down a 40x60 building that they are going to relocate to their place. They had a crew of 4, and a lift. Getting the metal off was the hardest part. It took them 4 very long days to get it down, and the last I heard, they where still hauling it to their place. They got the building for free, which was the only way that he said it made sense to them financially with what was involved in taking it down, hauling to their place and then rebuilding it. The owner of the building needed it to go away and instead of paying to have it demolished and hauled off, saved that money by giving it away.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Well I did take down the barn and move it and here are some of the picture here is an old picture the part we torn down was 48 X 90 on the left is bigger section

 

[Michelle K linnane]

first day stripping metal, removing and saving windows, doors, anything we could. This barn had a lot of lights and electrical outlets, and pex water thru out. As the crew stuff down we put in rubber made totes
to store till we could repurpose on site.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Day one all the metal was off the barn
all light fixtures were stored my guys even save the big light bulbs
all electric outlets
all pex fittings

 

[Michelle K linnane]

I had been looking for land not sure how many offers I made before I found someone who really wanted to sell and they took my offer second time around after I replaced my real estate person.
lot had not been brush hogged or touch in 28 years heavy brush and more apple trees then you can shake a stick at but level 25 acres parcel close to were I live now.

We started cutting none stop I hired my neighbor to help I went after work and on weekends. I had hired someone to brush hog and of course they never showed so my old brush hog was broken so I
and bought new used one and went to town. this is us doing driveway taking down grass as close as we can get it.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Tried to get someone with dozer but of course everyone is booked right up when weather is good we took sod up with bucket on tractor. I hired my neighbor and got
driveway roughed in. Then I went and got filter fabric from the county laid that down and had a load of stone dumped every day at lunch and went over and smoothed
with bucket on tractor. till I had enough on the driveway to get in without sinking out of sight.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Now we need to make a site for the barn which would be 48 by 88.

So again could not get anyone to do site work so I rented a dozer and my neighbor ran the dozer I moved all the dirt and spread about 120 ton of bank run gravel and number 2 stone.

did not use a transom and we should of slight pitch and at 88 feet turn into a foot at the other end. But from what I have seen even when a barn company does the site work you still need a lot of fill.



All the dirt we dug up I placed were I am going to my leach fields hopefully will perk but will add so we will not need some much fill.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

The next biggest hurdle was to get the metal and the trusses moved. the trusses are a 50 foot span. I must of made 40 phone calls trying to get someone to move the trusses.
finally I remember my neighbor brother is a trucker and he moved the trusses for me. We moved about 4 or 5 ton of metal from the barn. This was one of my biggest worries
was to get trusses moved safely. Had the same Amish crew take down the barn, helped move the trusses and then rebuilt barn in new location.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

The building inspector delayed us 1 1/2 months on the trusses. Had to get an engineering firm to come out and look at trusses and recertify which there is no such thing. He took one look at them and
said they are good that cost me $500 and 1 1/2 months of building time. I could of murdered someone. So the guys put the trusses up in 20 inches of snow. Only the Amish work like this in my opinion.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

So now trusses are up. now comes the metal, doors, windows. I bought 3 new sliding glass doors to have in the living area of the barn. One in my bedroom
I did not want to waste time in framing in windows and I would prefer to have fire exit and I am always raising a puppy so will fence in around the door so
I can let the dogs out at night without having to watch them like a hawk and not have to go thru the entire house to let them out.

 

[Michelle K linnane]

Left an opening go thru with stone in the process now filling in outside around the barn with bank run gravel. Once we have outside filled in will bring floor up to right level.
We have been moving stuff in the over hang to store so not so much to move to once.

here some pictures from the inside again floor needs a lot to stone to level.

 

[EddieWalker]

- yes for a smaller building 30 by 48 without any over hangs the building materials are $15,000 to $20,000 the building I am talking about repurposing with doors and windows was $75,000 14 years.
this building has 10 windows 8 walk through doors and metal on the ceiling and side inside. and over head door.
- It should not take more then 2 days to take the metal off the barn and another day for the Trusses. this is assuming 2 or 3 men.
let just say if I find I do by the hour and they make $60 an hour. that is $480 a day per man. for 3 days that is $4320
- even if it costs me $1000 to move materials. I am mostly interested in all the metal and the trusses.
- Want to do as soon as possible

Congratulations!!! Your new barn looks great. How close to your expectations on what it would cost did you come?

 

[Michelle K linnane]

here is my floor plan layout

Barn is 48 by 88. We broke one truss when we took them down so made the barn 88 instead of 90 feet.

enclosed will be 48 by 48. 3 sides will be the overhang which will clear span 40 long and 48 feet wide.
In the over hang will make a summer kitchen to cook and entertain outside. 20 wide will concrete by 48
the rest will be crusher run to store equipment and my truck, tractor, ATV, UTV, Zero turn.

My living space will be 26 by 48. I am only planning one bedroom and one bathroom
my garage space will be 22 by 48 plenty big enough for tools extra ref or freezers.

I have 2 wooden tool sheds one if 10 by 10 and the other is 10 by 20. I have company in the summer my friends come up and we train dogs and stay over for 1 or 2 nights
I am going to remodel tool shed into bunk house for quests will put a chemical toilet. will take my left over stockade fence and make an outdoor shower on the wall the house shower
is on. The stockade fence will be about 5 by 5 with a bench and privacy panels. it will do for summer.

Will try and finish this slowly with not mortgage the best land has been bought with cash 25 acres more then I really want or need.

not sure if you can see the blue print but will include it


I know many of you thought this was a crazy idea but here it is. this is what we saved from old barn
23 50 foot trusses
10 4 by 6 posts the old barn company never cemented in. just pulled right out of the ground.
as we could get posts out of the ground we able to save the 4 by 8 headers from the 90 feet of the barn.
6 windows
5 walk thru doors
1 garage over head door.
3 ceiling fans
almost all the barn fascia
all the barn soffits
all pex fittings about 10 different connections for hose or sinks
all electrical outlets about 30
cleaned up many of the 2 by 4 and 2 by 6 with pneumatic nail remover
all the tin metal roof, metal sides, ceiling metal and wall metal on inside which will go in my garage.
I did buy 3 new sliding glass doors from home depot. Got them on sale for about $300 each not bad guarantee either.

This barn is 4224 sq feet. And it has a lot of windows and doors. Even if you could get someone to build it for $15 a sq foot
and the doors and windows really ad up. it would cost at least $67,584@at 15 sq. ft. Cost will vary depending on your part of the country. But remember
I have everything I need to do plumping and electric, except the wire it is the outlets and boxes that cost so much plus I had 2 big
panel circuit breaks in the barn and I am taking that with me.

As the barn sits now I have about $24,000 into it for taking it down and moving it, buying more materials, labor to put back up again.
I don't think I did too bad! this has been a BIG head ache and it has been a struggle but have more work to do, but this was this summer project
plus working a couple of full time jobs for a while, and trying to train my dogs. It was and is a full plate.