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John_Mc
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HalseyGreen
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
If the clearance is 1/2 inch, I would consider it a problem. The two edges fit tight together on mine and I still have to clean out the wood splinters after working in the woods. With a larger opening you would have stick and about anything else stuck in there. Dont think it would effect dumping of materials. Possible solution is to stuff some metal in there to fill the gap.
If the clearance is 1/2 inch, I would consider it a problem. The two edges fit tight together on mine and I still have to clean out the wood splinters after working in the woods. With a larger opening you would have stick and about anything else stuck in there. Dont think it would effect dumping of materials. Possible solution is to stuff some metal in there to fill the gap.
Usually the slots are set up so you can attach the bar to the bucket in such a way so that you only have to loosten the bolts, slide the bar foreward and swing it up out of the way if you don't need it. Problem is that the bolts will work loose, and the bar comes loose when you want it tight. I have always had mine installed so no slippage can occur (on the recommendation of my dealer) and this has provided good service. In other words, the hole in the bucket is at the back end of the slot. I have never felt the need to remove the bar once it is installed. It takes practice, but you can still do smooth grading with the bar in place.the only other reason I can think of to remove it is for scooping loose material off of a smooth surface. Since I never have this situation, I never need to remove the bar.
ronjhall
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
John
Your picture looks very similar to the Long Tooth Bar I have. I never did get it down flat without any gap. To get it closer than yours I had to grind some of the weld that holds cutting edge to bucket.
When installing tooth bar I point the teeth of tooth bar down and attempt to lift front of tractor up. This seats tooth bar on bucket cutting edge.
John
Your picture looks very similar to the Long Tooth Bar I have. I never did get it down flat without any gap. To get it closer than yours I had to grind some of the weld that holds cutting edge to bucket.
When installing tooth bar I point the teeth of tooth bar down and attempt to lift front of tractor up. This seats tooth bar on bucket cutting edge.
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
John,
I purchaced the Long toothbar from Carver for my B2400 with LA351 loader. The toothbar fit exactly as your pictures show with a half inch gap between the toothbar and bucket. I considered that an unacceptable sloppy fit. It would have fit a one inch thick cutting edge, but the LA351 loader has a half inch thick cutting edge. I had the same thoughts, that things would get jammed in the gap and dumping would be affected. I contacted Carver and they double checked that it was the same toothbar that they always ship for that loader. I returned the toothbar and got my money back.
I was suprised to read here that others have the same loader/toothbar combination and say "it fits like a glove". Maybe different people have different standards for how well something fits, or maybe it is a quality control problem. Long does have a quality problem as far as spacing the teeth. While it may not affect the functionality much, the spacing of the teeth was completely random on the toothbar that was shipped to me. The tooth to tooth distance varied by more than 3 inches with every spacing being different. The guy that didn't bother to measure and eyeballed where the teeth should go, didn't have very good estimating abilities.
Andy
John,
I purchaced the Long toothbar from Carver for my B2400 with LA351 loader. The toothbar fit exactly as your pictures show with a half inch gap between the toothbar and bucket. I considered that an unacceptable sloppy fit. It would have fit a one inch thick cutting edge, but the LA351 loader has a half inch thick cutting edge. I had the same thoughts, that things would get jammed in the gap and dumping would be affected. I contacted Carver and they double checked that it was the same toothbar that they always ship for that loader. I returned the toothbar and got my money back.
I was suprised to read here that others have the same loader/toothbar combination and say "it fits like a glove". Maybe different people have different standards for how well something fits, or maybe it is a quality control problem. Long does have a quality problem as far as spacing the teeth. While it may not affect the functionality much, the spacing of the teeth was completely random on the toothbar that was shipped to me. The tooth to tooth distance varied by more than 3 inches with every spacing being different. The guy that didn't bother to measure and eyeballed where the teeth should go, didn't have very good estimating abilities.
Andy
gordon
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
My toothbar is a bobcat bucket bite and it does fit like a glove. No gap at all. That would drive me nuts.
Here is a pic of the toothbar. It was to wide for the bucket so I cut a piece out of the middle and rewelded it. That is why the two teeth in the center are closer than the others.
Gordon
My toothbar is a bobcat bucket bite and it does fit like a glove. No gap at all. That would drive me nuts.
Here is a pic of the toothbar. It was to wide for the bucket so I cut a piece out of the middle and rewelded it. That is why the two teeth in the center are closer than the others.
Gordon
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ronjhall
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
Gordon
That’s the way mine looks. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Except for the 2 teeth close together. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
Gordon
That’s the way mine looks. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Except for the 2 teeth close together. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
John, I have a Woods tooth bar that looks to be the same model and fit as the one you presently have. Maybe I am not picky enough but I haven’t found it to be a problem. The gap will fill with dirt almost immediately and I don’t recall brush having ever been a problem. With the Tooth Bar on, the loaders cutting edge is not engaging unbroken soil so the wider profile created at the edge has not been an issue. Actually with the bucket leveled, you will see that the teeth engage the ground about an inch below the cutting edge. Mine has over 300 hours working in rocky terrain with little wear so I would buy another if I needed one. Of course I never remove mine and that may make a difference.
MarkV
John, I have a Woods tooth bar that looks to be the same model and fit as the one you presently have. Maybe I am not picky enough but I haven’t found it to be a problem. The gap will fill with dirt almost immediately and I don’t recall brush having ever been a problem. With the Tooth Bar on, the loaders cutting edge is not engaging unbroken soil so the wider profile created at the edge has not been an issue. Actually with the bucket leveled, you will see that the teeth engage the ground about an inch below the cutting edge. Mine has over 300 hours working in rocky terrain with little wear so I would buy another if I needed one. Of course I never remove mine and that may make a difference.
MarkV
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After many years of using toothbars on lots of different loaders.
We have found that a loose and almost slopply fit serves the Easy On-Of concept much better that a Tight-Fit Like a Glove.
As soon as the bucket gets a little banged and dinged on the sides or you start getting a little rust and old hard clay setting up.... the FIT LIKE A GLOVE equals -- much more difficult to take the tooth bar off or to install it.
We encouraged the mfg. to make them as short as they can without having the bars to slip off unintentionally.
This was done after we had a couple of years experience with toothbars that FITTED LIKE a GLOVE complaints and had customers have to shorten the bars or leave'm on all the time.
Lots of opinions..... just pick the one you like...
Best wishes to all you TBNer for a great holiday weekend..
Be safe..
We have found that a loose and almost slopply fit serves the Easy On-Of concept much better that a Tight-Fit Like a Glove.
As soon as the bucket gets a little banged and dinged on the sides or you start getting a little rust and old hard clay setting up.... the FIT LIKE A GLOVE equals -- much more difficult to take the tooth bar off or to install it.
We encouraged the mfg. to make them as short as they can without having the bars to slip off unintentionally.
This was done after we had a couple of years experience with toothbars that FITTED LIKE a GLOVE complaints and had customers have to shorten the bars or leave'm on all the time.
Lots of opinions..... just pick the one you like...
Best wishes to all you TBNer for a great holiday weekend..
Be safe..
BKColeman
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Re: Toothbar problem, part 2
John,
I agree with Mr. Carver that a slightly loose fit is
better, especially side to side. But I don't know about being able to slide the tip of your finger under it. I don't believe I can get much more than a fingernail under mine.
--Brad
John,
I agree with Mr. Carver that a slightly loose fit is
better, especially side to side. But I don't know about being able to slide the tip of your finger under it. I don't believe I can get much more than a fingernail under mine.
--Brad
