Toothbar on L/M bucket?

   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #41  
I agree, better to pay a few cents for a couple of washers verses, paying to ship it back or worse yet another Tooth bar. Enjoy ! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #42  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( From the drivers seat I have to make the shaped plastic conform to the bucket shape, and that gives me a fairly level bucket. )</font>
If I understand correctly, when the edge of your shaped piece of plastic lines up with the edge of the bucket, then the bucket is sitting level...

Is that correct?
 
   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #43  
That's correct Trent.
A careful look at this shot of the bucket at rest on it's level shelf, and you can just make out the back edge running down from the rear edge of the " leveler ". Thought I had a better shot, sorry about that.
Bill
 
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   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #44  
Nice, simple solution. Good job! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #45  
I had the same idea. I asked PT about the idea about two weeks ago when I was ordering (OUCH!) a replacement foam wheel for my mower. I was told that PT advises against it and they would not install one. I don't see why not as they said the LM bucket is made of the same materials as the small rock bucket so it should not be a strength issue.
 
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As Scott indicated to me, it's the potential for over-ambitious filling/loading with heavy materials, not the action of digging itself, that can result in the deformation of the larger L/M bucket as compared with the smaller rock bucket.

The capacity of the L/M bucket is 2X that of the rock bucket (10 cu ft vs 5 cu ft). To "equalize" the L/M and rock bucket in terms of withstanding loads, one would have to fab the L/M of heavier stock, not the same stock as is currently done. Some owners have reported sagging of the floor of the L/M bucket, as mentioned by MR here. Since the capacity of the rock bucket is smaller to begin with, the operator simply can't "overload" it, i.e., there is a built-in fail-safe. I guess if anyone was loading uranium with the rock bucket that might be a problem /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Digging/ripping involves another set of forces on a bucket. When used for digging as opposed to loading, a toothbar gets its primary strength from the cutting edge of the bucket. (That's why the bar mfrs all stress to the buyer to be ceratin your bucket edge is in good shape before installing a bar.) The edges of the L/M and rock buckets are fabbed of the same stock material, and the L/M is only 3" wider than the rock bucket (48" vs 45" for the 422/425). Hence, the forces exerted on the two bucket edges should not be substantially different, especially if the operator follows the guidelines nicely outlined by KentT earlier in this thread. It probably comes down to the old adage of <font color="green">"Use, but don't abuse."</font>
 
   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #47  
I apologize for reviving an older thread...

Is the consensus to provide exact measurements to Markham for their tooth bar? Or allow for the welding bead?

Thanks!
 
   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #48  
Here's a pic of my LM bucket with a toothbar on it.

Works great!
 

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   / Toothbar on L/M bucket? #49  
pequeajim said:
Here's a pic of my LM bucket with a toothbar on it.

Works great!
Looks great too! :D Did you provide exact measures when ordering the bar? Or did you account for anything (e.g. welding)?

Thanks!
 
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KMA said:
Looks great too! :D Did you provide exact measures when ordering the bar? Or did you account for anything (e.g. welding)?

Thanks!

The mounting tab for the Markham bar will sit about 1/8-3/16 th inch above the floor of the LMB when it's installed. So, unless your bucket has an inordinately large welding bead at the junction of floor-sidewall, you don't have to take this into consideration when you measure. The Markhams will jig up your toothbar about 1/2 inch LESS than the measurement that you provide (i.e., 1/4 inch per side)to take into account any irregularities. If you do measure conservatively, it's easier to put in a few "fill" washers than to have to try to correct for a bar that's too big---my $0.02.

To address your other query, the Markham bar on my LMB has been fantastic. Without re-hashing too much, the bar strengthens the bucket considerably by reinforcing and rigidizing the leading edge of the floor which is the part that takes abuse in any digging bucket. I have the LMB w/ toothbar and the 4n1 w/o toothbar--- an awesome combo. Just be careful that you don't overfill the LMB with heavy stuff like crush'n'run. That's its only limitation. Too much weight in the bucket can lead to sagging of the floor as reported by MR and other folks on the forum. I don't think the toothbar would prevent that.

P.S. The Markhams are great to deal with.
 

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