Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful?

   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #11  
I am going to install TnT myself as soon as I decide what to order and get up the courage to start working on the hydraulic system.

The Gearmore site someone mentioned is at Gearmore and the picture (not a very good picture and no prices is at Gearmore TnT picture

I am also considering the set up from Carter & Carter On that page they show the complete setup minus the hoses from the valves to the tractor hydraulic system for $600.

Bill Tolle
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #12  
I personlly would not own a tractor without Top &Tilt . Once you use it you will understand why . NEVER having to get off your tractor again to "hand adjust' you linkage for slope or cut angle ,when grading .PRICELESS!!!.
I had dual remotes added when I bought my tractor and just ordered the hyd rams from Surpluscenter.com .
Big Al
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #13  
We'll agree with the majority on this one. We do seem to use the top cylinder much more than the side or tilt cylinder but both are still a very welcome addition in our book. The only time that the T&T is totally worthless and has to be removed is when the backhoe is connected to our TC-40D SS.

In this case the rear hydraulics are temporarily disabled and one needs to reinstall the OEM top link to tighten down on the BH for stability.

On a 1 to 10 rating we give T&T an 11.
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #14  
You will need at least 2 rear remotes. I would go with the Kubota L-series factory remotes, a bit pricey but it's a nice clean installation, especially on a cab tractor like your L5030 HSTC.

You will need an L8305 and an L8303 for the first remote.
An L8306 and L8303 for the second remote.
An L8307 and L8303 for the third remote.

The L8305 retails for $400, everything else for $200 each. You can add a float to the L8303 for $50 more and it becomes an L8304.

All of the above are dealer installed (installation price not included) or you can do it yourself.

For cylinders, I would go to Carter & Carter for those. Best bang for the buck there. The CCM cylinders have double pilot operated check valves and work great. Many TBN'ers have those.
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #15  
We have the OEM Kubota TNT setup on our L-3130 and it works excellent for all the above mentioned purposes.

You ask "How useful?"

On a scale from 1 to 10, it rates a 10+.

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   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #16  
Dargo, you will find the toplink very useful for hooking up all implements, using a rotary cutter to mow the edges of gullys and ponds, and adjusting the pitch of any ground engaging implement. One of the biggest uses I find is being able to pitch my boxblade forward and scarify, then pitch backwards to cut and drag with the rear blade. You don't have to do all those manual adjustments. The same adjustments would also help with a row cultivator or moldboard plow. I don't use those much anymore, but I can remember doing a lot of manual adjustments on them when I was a kid using my father's tractor.

For me, the tilt is most useful when blading on the edge of a hillside or slope. The tilt allows me to keep the blade level even though the tractor is not. Previously, I could only make level cuts by backing into the slope from a level spot. Like your FEL bucket, as soon as you get on uneven ground, you can't make it level. You have to get off the tractor and manually adjust the tilt of a blade. The ability to level the blade is a big advantage to me. I cut flat trails on the sides of slopes and I can do it in less than half the time it used to take me.

Mad has given you the part numbers for the factory remotes. After seeing Txdon's setup on his 5030 this weekend, I'd sure recommend the factory setup. It is nice and clean and easy to get to for connection. I'd get the Kubota remotes (at least two) and then go with aftermarket TnT cylinders and hoses like the ones from CCI or I&E. I didn't get the piloted check valves on my cylinders and I know it's just a matter of time before I buy a cylinder that is configured correctly.

Ideally, your dealer would have a tractor set up with TnT that you could do a test drive on, but that's probably very rare to find. If you search for the best deal you can find and listen to the good advice you get here from everyone, I'd bet you will be saying your are very glad you spent the money to make your 3PH much, much more efficient. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful?
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Based upon the very positive response to the usefulness of the TNT, I asked my Kubota dealer what it would cost to have it added. He quoted me $1450 installed with OEM parts. Does that sound in line?
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #18  
The L8326 Kubota TNT cylinder kit which contains a top link cylinder and tilt cylinder (just like the photo in a previous post) has an MSRP of $700.

So if the kit your dealer is quoting includes 2 Kubota rear remotes (see my earlier post for part numbers) and the TNT kit all for $1450 installed that's a decent deal. MSRP would be $1700 + installation.

Do it, you will not regret it.
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful? #19  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The L8305 retails for $400, everything else for $200 each. You can add a float to the L8303 for $50 more and it becomes an L8304. )</font>

MadReferee,

Question (probably dumb but I new to the world of modern tractors): What would the "float" be used for in a top and tilt setup?

Bill Tolle
 
   / Top and Tilt, just top, neither? How useful?
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First, thanks Mad, I ordered it. Second, btolle, according to the way the dealer explained it to me, I would want the float for the top link but not necessarily for the tilt. Now remember, I'm definitely not the expert on this. I'm the one asking questions, so take what I say as only what I understand so far; not as gospel. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
 

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