tracked vehicle differential questions

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#31  
Nick, I really like the one in the third video!
A question I have about the suspension, how would I go about calculating what to use? I was thinking torsion axle stubs, perhaps shock absorbers would be in order? You can buy them with different weight ratings. Take the total weight of vehicle minus the tracks (all un-sprung weight) and go from there.
 
   / tracked vehicle differential questions #32  
Just for a few ideas for you, here's a youtube of a conversion done to a truck. Crappy quality but it gives you an idea of how they did it.
Convert A Truck to Track - YouTube

Here's another unit that looks like it utilizes a home built drop box to transfer the power from the truck down to the drive train of the tracked part.
track buggy - YouTube

There's even an outfit (swamp traxx) that makes a rig that you can trailer to the site. "Description: This auxiliary powered tracked vehicle is designed to help you reach low access areas. Hydrostatic pumps are driven by the rear wheels of the operating vehicle, which in turn power the units tracks. Converts to a towable unit via the transport wheels and hitch. Insurable as a trailer." I found a website offering one for sale. Only $160,000 new...:eek: I remember back in around 78 or 79, you could buy an earlier and much simpler version of it for about $20,000 that used the truck to power it by jacking up the rear axle, removing the rear tires and bolting on a sprocket to in lieu of a wheel and chain drive down to the tracks. Steering was as I described in an earlier post.
If picture is worth a 1000 words a video has to be worth 10,000! swamp traxx - YouTube
 
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#33  
I'm not sure I would like that Swamp Traxx thing, looks huge!
That and it's expensive!
The whole reason for me wanting to build something is the cost of buying anything with tracks, there is a 59 Bombardier J5 near my house that is in pretty good shape with the optional 3 man cab and they want 5k for it. It has not been run in years and it's kept under a barn roof. If I could pick it up for a couple of thousand I would take a chance on it.
Plus I like building things.................lol
dave
 
   / tracked vehicle differential questions #34  
Hi again :)

Ooohh... suspension.... Love the stuff: ready for another "far too long" post? :D

I just had to google "Torsion Stub Axles" to see if you were talking about the thing that I know as "Indespension" units. ... I think you are. :)

I have considered them, but have a few demands of my setup that would make them miss the mark. I want to have a 3pt hitch front and rear on my machine. My main use for it will be clearing snow, and getting off our land onto the roads I can see from here to help people when they get stuck - (a regular occurrence). At the moment with the tractor I need to clear our driveway in order to get out, meaning that a lot of people go without help. Being able to drive *over* the snow to get there means that I'd do it far more often. Hanging a 150Kg snowblower on the front will mean I want to stiffen the front end's suspension... so I want something a bit more adjustable than a torsion system.

As far as I see it, there are 4 ways to go.
1. No suspension at all (if you're only on snow, then that should really be fine)
2. Independently sprung wheels / Full suspension
3. Linked pairs of wheels (allowing the track to follow the contours of the ground to some extent, but offering no "spring"
4. A hybrid mix of 2 and 3. (this is what I intend to do)

Take Nr 3... I can't find the technical term for the linked pairs. It's a common feature of heavy 4-wheeled tractor trailers, and after a brief google, I've found this. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7048281-0-large.jpg which pretty much sums up concept 4.

You'll see the same concept daily on the windscreen wiper blades of your car(s)

This seems to be the basis of most bogey-wheel systems on tracked machines. Google "Tank suspension" for some more ideas.

When it comes to calculation, bare in mind that your front wheel is going to take the "pull" from the track that goes round it. This is why a lot of tracked machines have the two end wheels off the ground: it's easier to deal with track tension if they're not sprung.

Your weight distribution is also important. Pointless to have tracks if all the weight is at one end! :D Assuming a 1000Kg vehicle and 5 bogey-wheels per side, I reckon you're wanting a 100Kg torsion unit per wheel... but it's an expensive trial and error route to go it you're going to be buying 10 torsion units.

... which brings me to one of the ideas I've played with.

Instead of springs that you have to buy, and instead of suspension units that'll end up costing you a total in the "thousands" of dollars region, Why not try a system that has proven itself on the budget motorsport scene? Bungee chord.

longer length = lower spring-rate
More lengths = stronger spring.

It'd be really easy to play with simple trailing/leading arm suspension, using multiple wraps of chord to vary spring-rates. The temperature might be an issue, as might buildup of ice/snow, but a good silicone grease should fix the latter problem, and the setup will be completely tuneable and seriously cheap :D

While it sounds silly... think about it: If you need 100Kg for force per wheel, We can both agree that a single thickness of bungee can give around 10 kg of force... That's only 5 circuits/loops of chord to give you the 100Kg per wheel you want. (assuming you've got a 1:1 ratio on your trailing arm wheel:spring geometry)
Also... lets say stretching a length of chord takes from 0-10Kg depending on the length, if you set it up so the vehicle is suspended when the chord is stretched to 5Kg, and you know (from the tests you'll do in the next 2 minutes) that extending it another 4" will take it to 10Kg, you can easily calculate the loadings/travel you need/want to get the results you want.

To keep the crap out of your bungee springs, you could also make some tubes from neoprene or old inner-tube to cover them....

If it's good enough for aeroplanes.... :D http://www.bydanjohnson.com/articleart/272_11.jpg
 
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Yup: Walking beam's the one. An un-sprung walking beam setup really should be enough for snow-only use :)

What with it being Christmas and all, I've hopefully got some time to sit and draw a few things. If/when I get round to it I'll post here :) - even though it may be a few miles from what you're thinking, it may be of interest :)
 
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#37  
what do you think of having at least one leaf per pair?
I'm not too familiar with walking beams but hate to have it ride like a buckboard.
thanks,
dave
 
   / tracked vehicle differential questions #38  
what do you think of having at least one leaf per pair?
I'm not too familiar with walking beams but hate to have it ride like a buckboard.
thanks,
dave

I hadn't really considered leaves: I grew up in Europe, where Leaf Springs are considered to be antique things for horse-drawn wagons only.. :eek: ...

If you have a good source, and know how to dimension them correctly, I'm sure They'd be worth a go: maintenance free and fairly bullet-proof can't be bad :)
 
   / tracked vehicle differential questions #39  
Bunge cord WILL be ineffective in cold temps. I had a little plane with that setup and it goes stiff in the cold. It's rubber. But you are right, the idea is cheap and tuneable.

Open disk brakes freeze and are completely useless if bathed with snow. They must heat up, melt the snow which again freezes on the pads. I use a tracked ATV with inboard disk brakes and they do freeze if there is enough snow to fly around. You don't really need brakes though, so it is not a problem. That's why I like articulating cats instead.
 
   / tracked vehicle differential questions #40  
what do you think of having at least one leaf per pair?
I'm not too familiar with walking beams but hate to have it ride like a buckboard.
thanks,
dave

Walking beams will cut bumps in half; as the leading tire rolls over a log (for example) the main axle only sees half of the rise. Springs can give you a nicer ride but stability becomes a problem, more moving parts, you probably need to consider shock absorbers...
 

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