Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated

   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #21  
headleyj said:
Hey Fellas - can't thank you all enough for your insight. To answer a few of the questions
yes I have a topo - see attached

Can't increase the budget any - already woudl be financing 1/2 that @ ~ 8%.

I examined the Chinese tractors - mmmmm...just doesn't sit right with me. if I'm going to be tightening stuff all the time and have no warranty - I might as well get an older "domestic" and have parts at my fingertips and people who have experience with them.

Northland - A grapple would be tough as nails, but shew those are pricey - unless you build it yourself, which could be done with some friends.

I looked at the Power-Trac's - very interesting! A bit procey for me though I think.

I looked at arch's some time ago and considered a Kodiak or Grizzly (yamaha bias) - but there's just so much I can't do with a 4 wheeler. Arch with a tractor yes. Would feel much safer!

Tires - R1's definetly preferred! If I can' reduce the filesizes I'll include some property pics.

Only "limit" on size is I want it to fit in a 9x7 gar door so I can keep it in the bsmt. to work on if needed and warm!

I'm rethinking my original plan as we have a 4 mo old (our 1st) and the regular cab is quickly becoming cramped. Coupled with the fact I've never owned a tractor! I don't think an older one would be a bad place to start. It's easy to go gunho off jump go (hey that rhymed) and get a newer XYZ brand, but..... an older one with cheap hp, FEL, sheer weight might be a good place to start that learning curve. They'll most likely be 2wd but there is 1 major skidder path that a 2wd would make it up easy. I'd cuss like a sailor the 1st time I had to work on it but I'd cuss harder when the truck has no room to carry mom and Junior I think.

Well I'm off to search for older ones. I can find alot of those in town - which is nice! Guys, can't thank you enough for everything thus far. This site is awesome. I'm laying tile this weekend so may not have a chance to look until next week. I'll definetly keep you posted on what I find.

Thanks again!!!!!!!!

Wow, that's got some pretty steep slopes in there. From the topo it looks like you have the easiest slope down from right to left along the top of your property.

I'd seriously consider a winch an pulling things downhill and dragging to that 610' level and working on them there.

Also, that creek looks pretty fast. Where is it on the topo map? Looks like a good candidate for a hydro power station. :)
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #22  
Of the original tractors you mentioned the one no one seesm to have commented on is the Ford / New Holland 2120. This is by far the most tractor of your list. It makes the JD 790 look like a toy. I've had one since 1987 and it has been flawless. Don't let it's hp rating fool you . It is much more tractor than a TC 40/55. It is definately one of Ford's best selling models of al time for good reason. Just remember it is a TC55 with slightly less hp.I would get it and not look back.

Andy
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #23  
headleyj said:
3. 1997 Ford 2120, FEL, R1, 6'GB, pallet forks, PHD, remotes in rear, canopy, 650h, asking $14.5k
a. Why are these so expensive? It's 10 yrs old yes it's 43hp engine but just seems high..thoughts?

.

BTW That is an excellent price for a 2120 with all that equipment. A typical 2120 with just a loader goes for around $18k. I would put my 2120 up against any other tractor mentioned in this thread. It is just one tough tractor. I have worked the heck out of mine and it keep ticking. I routinely move granite over 2000 pounds. Many times I use it instead of the TN that I also have since it is so manuverable. It is also very stable when compared to the other smaller machines. Just remember it is easy to pack hp in a small frame. The 2120 manages to put the hp is a frame that can actually work.

Andy
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #24  
I was looking at the topo. Looks like a 1 to 3 Rise over Run. So what is that guys? 25 degrees? Man I am so bad at this.

Either way it looks too steep for a normal tractor. It would be great for an 1850 PT, but I am not sure PT is the best ground pulling tractor out there. Most tractors are comfortable in the 15 to 20 degree range... Most puckers kick in around 15 or so...

I think the winch is the way to go...

Did you check Craigs List BTW? I am learning to appreciate it more and more...

Carl
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated
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There is one main skidder path that would be OK I think - this elevation isn't reflected in the topo since the path is manmade and fairly recent (1-2 yrs old).

ROPS a must yes. I see ads for aftermarket ones all the time so I'll need to look into that if needed.

Thanks for the comments on Zetor - always wondered about them and they go fairly cheap in my neck of the woods.

Main creek is wide but no where deep enough for hydro power - it dried up this year, but it was a drought year too.

Oh I've looked on ironsearch, machineryfinder, ebay (have a search that emails me each day), craigslist, auto-rv.com, local classifieds - I'm a classifieds junky - look each morning before work.

I'm used to old trucks, gearing them properly for the terrain to go up/ down hills etc and I think I could manipulate a tractor the same - just don't know what you don't know - ya know. Found a couple IH/ Ford 3000's and a massey 135 all with loaders, 2wd though obviously, for 3-5k. I'll keep looking - winch has definetly been on my brain since we got the property.

The F/NH 2120 would be ideal heck yeah! my buddies grandpa has one and man it's sharp - it jsut takes $ - they print more everyday, just don't float it my way for some reason :D

We should be done setting the ceramic tile this morning so I should have time to look this afternoon. Thanks again to a helluva great buncha guys and all your advice - it is GREATLY appreciated!!!!!!!
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #26  
My 43 acres lies about 45 miles southwest of your place and I have steeper slopes than you. I bought a Kubota L3400 HST last summer and haven't once entertained a thought of regret. I go up and down the slopes with ease while being cautious about the hazard. Some here have recommended a winch and I think that's a good idea. I didn't get one because I don't care about wood I can't reach with a logging chain.
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #27  
It may be out of the question due to budget, but I have found a hydro much less stressful when I work on slopes. Because they brake on their own when you ease back on the gas, you can concentrate on other things. It is also alot easier to feather small moves, which can be a big plus when you've got a good case of pucker going. In some of the spots I have found myself in, a wrong move with the gas, clutch or both on a gear tractor would have made for a bad day. Finally, I don't know how much loader work you plan to do, but it can be tough on a clutch (you have to slip the thing often in the process). I love my gear tractor for mowing, tilling, discing, harrowing, and similar ground engaging work, but for construction type stuff (e.g., loading, grading, hauling, etc.), I much prefer the HST. And one more thing, in terms of reliability, folks alot more experienced than me say that there is no difference.

In terms of dimension, power and set up, my HST is a TC45DA with filled R4s, a 16A loader and 858C BH. It has done everything I have asked it to on my 45 acre place, including the slopes. For a CUT, it is relatively heavy and plenty stable. That said, I am glad I didn't go any smaller, and definitely wouldn't have regretted going even bigger.

Also, I have found that the limitations of the loader and BH impact the work far more often than any limitations presented by the HP of the tractor. In other words, if tractor A has less HP but a more robust loader (and BH) capability than tractor B, I'd opt for tractor A in a heart beat. Of course, hydraulic capability in utility tractors, especially CUTs, is all too often tied directly to HP, so the choice doesn't often present itself.

Just my two cents, FWIW.
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #28  
I got in late on this thread, but here's a tremendous amount of HP & features with an enclosed AC cab for $14,400 !!!!

I have never seen this much tractor for the money. Check this out-twice the tractor of the ones on your original list:

MikePA: Removed link to phony eBay link.
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #29  
Such a good deal EBay pulled the plug on it. :rolleyes:

With high needs and a budget the used market is really interesting. I have seen a lot of good values out there if your have the time to wait and watch. I will have to fess up and say that didn't work for me but I tried.
 
   / Tractor for 25ac - hilly, previously logged - input greatly appreciated #30  
Which is why we are not supposed to post eBay references on this site...:rolleyes:
 

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