Tractor hard to start in cold

   / Tractor hard to start in cold #51  
Both of my Deere backhoes would readily start in the cold without block heaters. Cranking speed is importance though. If they aren’t turning fast I’d start troubleshooting there. Since it turns fine in warm the starter mad cables are probably fine. My guess is the battery is on its way out.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #52  
You're expecting an awful lot if you think your diesel will start in the cold w/o some sort of starting aid to enhance combustion. On my M5640 when I use the block heater the glow plugs don't cycle on because they think it is summer time. It turns over good and fast because the oil is warm but it cranks forever before it will start. It bothers me to have to crank so long. So I force the the glow plugs on for 3 or 4 seconds and it starts on the first grunt.

Just an FYI - on most Kubotas you can force the glow plugs on by putting it in gear and turning the key to start. Hold it there in start. It will not turn over and the glow plug light will not come on but they will be on. When you want to start shift to neutral and it will start cranking as normal. On my M5640 I use the main shift lever, 1,2,3,or 4 on my L3010 it is the F/N/R lever that works.

gg
My Branson has an intake manifold heater on it which has a temp sensor in the engine to control how long it is on.
I keep telling myself to buy a second sensor and wire it up with a switch so I could select ambient air or engine temp. Haven't done so, but I have resorted to disconnecting it before trying to start on real cold days with the block heater on.
Works good that way.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #53  
Diesels are compression ignition engines: they rely on the heat generated from the compression as the cylinder moves to ignite the fuel. The heat that fuel sees is proportion to the speed of the compression. So while a gas engine might start with slow cranking (since the spark plug still fires), a diesel engine is more directly affected. Possible causes of slow cranking:
  1. Weak battery/batteries
  2. poor electrical connections in the battery to starter circuit
  3. Wrong viscosity engine oil (and/or hydraulic oil, on some tractors)
  4. Starter going bad
  5. Some diesel engine designs just don't handle cold starts as well. You may have to resign yourself to preheating in cold weather.
Of these, I would start by examining the batteries and electrical connections. It's easy and inexpensive to check. Also, your statement "Put battery charger on it and it shows batteries almost fully charged" could indicate a problem: a battery that has been on a charger for an appropriate length of time should show full, not "almost full".

Some steps to check the battery:
If your battery is the flooded lead-acid type with removable caps on the caps, open the caps and fill to the appropriate level with DISTILLED water. (Many flooded lead-acid batteries have a sort of "split ring" inside or other indicator: you fill up to that point.)

Charge the battery, let it rest for a few hours and measure voltage. For a 12V flooded lead-acid battery it should measure right around 12.7 volts. If you let it sit overnight, it should still measure close to that voltage the next day (a significant drop in voltage indicates either a parasitic draw on the battery, or internal battery problems). Use a known accurate voltmeter for these tests (The Harbor Freight $6-7 voltmeters are good for rough indications, or indicating that this battery is showing the same it was yesterday, but I've found that they vary from one unit to another, sometimes by as much as 0.5 volts.) If you are concerne dthat your tractor may have some phantom loads, which are discharging the battery when not in use, you may want to try this test with the battery disconnected.

Measure voltage while cranking the engine. If it drops way down (like 10.x volts on a 12 volt battery) that's an indication of a problem: it could be in the battery or the connections.

A battery that drops to +/- 11 volts or so just while resting for a few days likely has a shorted cell. That battery is probably junk.

Letting a battery sit in a discharged or partially discharged state for an extended time causes sulfation in the battery, lowering battery output and shortening it's life. Heavy sulfation can sometimes mimic the symptoms of a bad cell. A You can try putting a charger/maintainer on the battery that has a desulfation feature. I've had luck recovering some moderately sulfated batteries with this. Note that if the battery has significant sulfation, it can take a week or more of desulfating it to really make headway in recovering it, if it can be recovered at all.

If you have a two battery system, you should always replace the batteries at the same time. This is true whether your batteries are connected in parallel (still a 12V system) or in series (creating a 24V electrical system).

Electrical Connections:
Poor electrical connections can cause your batteries not to charge fully from the tractor's charging system. Chronic undercharging causes sulfation (as mentioned above) and shortens the life of the battery.

Clean the top of the battery: sometimes the accumulation of acids, oils, dirt, etc forms a conductive path between the posts, causing a slow drain on the battery even when not in use. Even just wiping it clean with a rag or paper towel can help. I sometimes wipe it down with a mix of baking soda and water, which neutralizes any acids which may have collected on the top of the battery (sometimes the battery will outgas acid fumes when charging). If you see things fizzing while doing this, that's an indication you had residual acid on the top of the battery. NOTE: be VERY careful not to get any of the baking soda and water into the battery cells.

As others have already mentioned: Clean the connections at the batteries and at the grounds. Check where the negative cable on a negative ground tractor attaches to the frame, and look for other areas where electrical connections are attached to the frame. Also look at the positive connections. Pay special attention to connections at the batteries, starter, and alternator or generator. After going through the connections, charge the battery and try the tests mentioned above to see if things have changed.

Hydraulic and engine oil viscosity:
One of the first things I do when buying used equipment is change all the fluids and filters. You never know what the previous owner used or whether they actually replaced them at appropriate intervals. (In RARE cases, I'll make an exception to replacing fluids if I know the previous owner personally, and know they are the type to take meticulous care of their equipment.) Find out what viscosity is recommended for your make/model tractor in the temperatures you expect to see in your area. If your tractor is old enough that it recommends single viscosity oils, consider substituting a modern multi-viscosity oil to cover the temperature range you expect to see.

Starter issues:
I went through all the steps I could think of when I had trouble starting my 20+ year old tractor a couple of years ago. It had first developed issues starting in colder weather. My block heater had died, but the hard starting was happening even in temperatures where I had not needed to preheat in the past. For a time, I could overcome this by cycling the glow plugs a couple of times before starting. Eventually, the temperature at which it would start crept up to the poitn where I was having to crank the engine for significantly longer, and sometimes multiple glow plug scycles still resulted in difficult starting. I was stumped, so I brought it in for service. They found that the starter was going bad and cranking too slowly. The engine wasn't generating enough heat at the slower cranking speed to ignite the fuel (not an issue in warmer weather, and that's why the multiple glow plug cycles sometimes helped). They replaced the starter, and it's been starting easily ever since. The starter had deteriorated gradually enough that I had not really noticed the difference in cranking speed. I could certainly tell the differenc ewhen they replaced it.
I had the exact same starter issue on my 2005 JD 4120. I had replaced the oem Bosch starter, just out of warranty, with an aftermarket “Powrstrike” . The original had corrosion on the solenoid power stud. The tractor started cranking slower about 12 years after I replaced the starter. Replacing the battery with one with more CCA helped a little. I actually did that (2) times in (6) years, but I saved the old batteries and they are still doing well in my truck and another tractor.

The JD 4120 started needing a jump to start whenever the temp dropped below about 50 degrees. I ordered another aftermarket starter from Amazon (again it cost less than half what the oem one did at the time), and now it starts better than it did when new.

The good thing was, now I got better batteries in another tractor and truck that really needed them.

When I examined the failing Powerstrike starter after removal, I noted that the drive end motor bearing or bushing was very badly worn. I saved it and if I can ever locate the original Bosch, maybe I can take the Powetstrike solenoid off and replace it with the one from the Powerstrike. That way, I’ll have a spare available.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #54  
This.

But more importantly, what is YOUR version of "cold"? What is the coldest temps (NO "windchill" BS) in ambient air temperature that your tractor will see?

Some folks version of "cold" is almost laughable.

Make sure your engine oil and hydraulic oil are rated for the temps you're actually going to operate your equipment in.
Wind-chill has no effect on metal or wood, only living beings.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #55  
Wind-chill has no effect on metal or wood, only living beings.
No effect but it does increase the speed at which that object reaches that temperature.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #57  
My gosh, so many things and so many contributions. It seems every possibility has been covered?

My old Kubota B7100 was always hard to start especially in the cold. I did EVERYthing. One day with the hood open while I was cursing it I saw a whisp coming up from the left side. It was originating from around the starter. That's the ONLY thing I hadn't done. I found one on Amazon for $70 with free shipping. When I did the glow plug cycle and turned the key it scared me, it turned over that fast and sprung to life immediately.

I was so happy I rewired the rest of the machine and got everything to work. Even the horn and flasher for whatever purpose deep in the woods. It was my way of apologizing. I honk the horn every once in a while in victory.

Never say "Oh, it couldn't be that." If I had just thrown parts at it I would've fixed it long ago.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #58  
As a hack, I've used a hair dryer to heat an engine, intake manifold, etc. I've also used a magnetic heater, but nothing beats a block heater.
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #59  
Little late to the party, but I have a JD2555 that I went thru the same issues!
Dual 850 CCA batteries, even with a jump from a dual battery truck using two aught welding lead jumper cables, it wouldn't crank over fast enough to start. I sent the starter out for repair at a time when money was tight and I was unemployed. Starter rebuilder increased the estimate by 25%, which really ticked me off! It was better, but still not good. I finally threw in the towel and built a stainless steel rack mounted on the side of the tractor, and added two 1100 CCA batteries to it. No issues since...
It has the built in ether system, but this is Florida and it doesn't get that cold down here! My tractors don't plow snow, so if it is cold enough for ether, it's too cold for me!
David from jax
 
   / Tractor hard to start in cold #60  
Why can't you just turn the key to start when the glow
plug light goes out turn key off and back to start you should be able to do this a few times then turn to start
and the glow plugs should have done there job

willy
 

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