tractor tipping question

[lilranch2001]

I have a feeling that I would want to steer clear of some of you guys and your tractor operations…..

I’m perfectly capable of f’ing myself up without any help

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I have a feeling that I would want to steer clear of some of you guys and your tractor operations…..

You wouldn't even want to be around when I move stuff, hanging from chain, with the little knuckleboom crane? Then the very soft 4-wheel suspension is at its best.

Ironically, on that one I can hydraulically lock the front suspension. That's meant for when using the forklift, though.

 

[BlueKnife]

Or helps keep them upright.

Correct. Shifting the center of gravity back towards center, by doing something like swinging the backhoe boom uphill or opposite the weight of an uneven load, helps to keep the machine upright.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Ah, I just knew I had basic physics on my side.

Well, unless I'm in the larger backhoe and it's the right side that's high (it's LHD).

 

[BlueKnife]

Ah, I just knew I had basic physics on my side.

Well, unless I'm in the larger backhoe and it's the right side that's high (it's LHD).

I am so confused. What "side" are you talking about?

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Just messing with you a bit.

Guess I could've mentioned that my larger backhoes are 2-seaters, so if the right side is the uphill side, then the basic physics (backhoe deployed and swung to the high side) are not on my side. Right?

 

[lilranch2001]

I’m soooo frikkin cornfused…..

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Why should I be limited to only getting confused myself?

 

[BlueKnife]

Just messing with you a bit.

Guess I could've mentioned that my larger backhoes are 2-seaters, so if the right side is the uphill side, then the basic physics (backhoe deployed and swung to the high side) are not on my side. Right?

The physics are the same regardless. Having two seats doesn't change the basic principle. Still don't know what your "side" is. My "side" is that, if a machine can pivot on the axle, it will tilt downhill or to it's heavy side. Do you disagree with the bolded sentence?

 

[lilranch2001]

I anxiously await a response!

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I do, even though there are no actual pivots on my larger backhoes, just spongy suspensions.

And "my side" would be the left side of the vehicle, where the driver's seat is.

 

[lilranch2001]

Can you post a picture of said backhoe, as I don’t think I’ve ever seen a two seater backhoe before

 

[lilranch2001]

I was able to find this on the ole interweb….

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Sure. Case 580 in the rear, Schmidt loader in the front, and 16,000 lbs. of spongy in between.

Stowed and at work (with only a 12" bucket).

 

[lilranch2001]

That’s one of them thar marsaddeees unimajigger thingies….,

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Yep, that it is.

Have two of that kind, one forklift/crane, and one dozer/trencher. Much less costly than corresponding civilian backhoes and such, but definitely not without their quirks.

There's a reason backhoes don't have suspensions. Lifting mine with the backhoe to straddle a ditch, for example, gets interesting when there's about a foot of down travel in the suspension.

And being somewhat top heavy, sidehilling with that soft suspension is also a different experience. That's why a front pivot on a tractor doesn't mean all that much to me. It's benign in comparison.

 

[Jstpssng]

If you're going to try to tip a tractor, ensure it is asleep prior to the attempt.

I'm glad to see somebody else post this so that I didn't have to. My first thought every time I read the title is cow tipping, but it's good that we let the OP get some good answers to his question before taking it sideways.

 

[lilranch2001]

Personally, in my humble opinion, some of the best threads go sideways right off the bat and stay sideways

 

[Jstpssng]

Personally, in my humble opinion, some of the best threads go sideways right off the bat and stay sideways

Other times it's better to just take a nap.

Naps are grossly underrated.

 

[CoyPatton]

I have a sub-compact, emax 20s with a bucket and backhoe. A couple of times with a heavy load on the front (clamp on forks) I've felt a rear wheel lift off the ground. Lowered the bucket, inched forward, and lowered the backhoe outriggers to help keep from tipping. Is that a stupid think to do? Does it help?

Unfortunately since you are lifting a rear wheel off the ground, you will only lift your rear wheel and outrigger off the ground. You will slightly change the weight distribution as you put down your outriggers, but you WILL NOT change the lift capacity of your loader. Your machine is a smaller tractor with all the counter weight it can handle with a backhoe installed. You likely are trying to pickup more than the tractor is capable of lifting. Only suggestions are 1) reduce the load you are trying to lift, 2) swing the backhoe to be straight behind you and extend its reach putting as much weight as far behind you as possible.