Tractor Tire Liners

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Robert walker

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I have an dea but want to get y’all’s thoughts. I mow where there are a lot of honey locust trees and am tired of getting flats. I have a Kubota L3400DT with 11.2x24 tires. I am thinking about buying a roll of 12” wide roof flashing and repair my inner tubes and put the roof flashing inside my tires like a liner to keep the thorns from giving me flats. I think the flashing would conform to the tire when it is aired up. What are y’all’s thoughts on doing this. I found one company that makes liners but they didn’t have my size listed and they never replied to me whether they carried them.
 
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Some years ago, when I also had the thorn tree problems, I had read about the highway departments doing exactly the same thing you're considering. The idea sounded so great that I too decided to do exactly that.

Unfortunately, that didn't solve my problem. The liners would seem to slip around, allowing the thorns to invade again. On a normal week I was experiencing something like 15-20 thorns per day. That of course, was unacceptable.

My solution was to buy 18 ply recapped airplane tires for the fronts. Back then they were something like $85/each including rims for my Fordson-Dexta. That was the END of the thorn problem; no more flats. In fact, I don't think it mattered one iota whether the tires had air in them or not. They ran the same either way.

I think the same company is still in business in Houston, Texas.

...just a thought.
 
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Have you tried adding tire slime to seal up punctures while you drive?

Tire foam may be in your future...
 
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Robert, Your subject brings to memory from years and years ago, that tires used to have tire liners - woven cotton. If you use roof flashing, be sure to glue the liner to the inside of the tire. Keep it smooth - no overlapping. The liner is not so puncture resistant - not so tough - as another ply of tire. Gem99's idea of airplane tire would serve you much better. Look also at front end loader tires and of course, any solution you could pour into the tire - like Slime, etc.
 
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Have you tried adding tire slime to seal up punctures while you drive?

Tire foam may be in your future...
It’s my rear tires with inner tubes. Will the slime seal the inner tubes you think? Might try that but didn’t think it would work.
 
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Robert, Your subject brings to memory from years and years ago, that tires used to have tire liners - woven cotton. If you use roof flashing, be sure to glue the liner to the inside of the tire. Keep it smooth - no overlapping. The liner is not so puncture resistant - not so tough - as another ply of tire. Gem99's idea of airplane tire would serve you much better. Look also at front end loader tires and of course, any solution you could pour into the tire - like Slime, etc.
The tires I have on the tractor now are 6 ply. Thought about going to 10 ply to see if that would help. I thought if I put the flashing in the tire I would put silicone on the tire and put the flashing on it to help it from sliding around.
 
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I have an dea but want to get y’all’s thoughts. I mow where there are a lot of honey locust trees and am tired of getting flats. I have a Kubota L3400DT with 11.2x24 tires. I am thinking about buying a roll of 12” wide roof flashing and repair my inner tubes and put the roof flashing inside my tires like a liner to keep the thorns from giving me flats. I think the flashing would conform to the tire when it is aired up. What are y’all’s thoughts on doing this. I found one company that makes liners but they didn’t have my size listed and they never replied to me whether they carried them.
We made an effort to remove all thorns on over 100 acres. There were many but are gone now. Big 4" long shiny thorns.
 
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I have a pasture about 15 acres and another one thats about 20 acres that have a bunch of them. I sprayed and killed a lot, went back and cut them down and piled to burn. I still mow around the rest until I can cut them down. Thinking about renting a dozer for a week and push them all up and then spray to stay on top of them. It’s leased pasture but I still would rather have gras than thorns. Going to buy one place next year.
 
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Tire foam may be in your future...

Polyurethane Foam/Flat Fill
This ballast method is essentially a run-flat polyurethane fill that is injected into the tire through the valve stem. Two liquid components are pumped into the tire and they react with one another so that 24-36 hours later, you are left with a solid rubber core – the air inside the tire is completely displaced. The term “foam” is a bit misleading – the core is actually very much a black solid. It is sometimes called foam because air bubbles are injected into the mix to control the density of the end product.

This ballast method obviously adds serious weight gains to each tire and also has the nice benefit of eliminating flat tires and associated repair costs. Because the tire is run-flat there is no risk of corrosive/toxic ballast spraying all over your tractor and scorching vegetation if you do spring a leak. You will have to find a dealer near you that performs this service (Brannon Tire in Stockton, California for example).

  • Advantages

  • high weight/volume ratio (about 20-50% more than water depending on type of fill)
  • cannot freeze
  • tire is run-flat
  • simple – have it done once, ballasted forever

  • Disadvantages
    may not be available in all locations
  • high cost – prices range around $0.95-1.25 lbs injected, or $300+ per tire
  • tire must be cut off rim after tread wears out – best for new or nearly new tires
  • if performed on steering tires, heavy duty weight gains will put more stress on steering components
  • no air in tires to absorb humps and bumps so you will get a very rough ride – could be jarring for long distance travel
 
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I have a John Deere 310G backhoe that has the foam filled front tires. Weight on the backhoe is nice because it keeps the front end down when using the backhoe. The tires are 12x16.5, so fairly small. the downside is the weight when removing the wheel. These small ones weigh more than I can handle. If you fill your back tires, you better have another tractor with a loader to remove them if needed. One of those tips over, you will have a difficult time getting it vertical.
 
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I've actually tried flashing inside riding mower tires. It failed almost immediately. I actually think the edge of the flashing was cutting on the tubes. I planned to cut the tread section out of OTHER mower tires and stuff it in there as a liner but never got to it other than on some small 10" diameter 4.10-4 rims on the front of some rear engine riders. THOSE tires I cut easily with a utility knife! The kind of tire you'd need to cut up to use as a 'liner' on your tire would be pretty aggravating to do the cutting on, i think. I'd buy a purpose-made tire liner in this case for that reason. Keep in mind since tire liners are basically sized for the tires outside diameter and have nothing to do with rim diameter (minus the thickness of the tread part of the tire), you could use a liner from some other tire of similar diameter even if it's labelled for a totally different wheel/tire size as long as that tire works out close to your ~43" tire height. Probably about 40" inside diameter in there since your tread bars are probably over an inch tall and the body of the tire is probably 1/3" or so. It's ok if it's a little bigger because you can just slice across it (i've heard diagonal instread of straight across) and overlap it a little and the tube will just conform around it.

If you want to try making your own, try it on radial light truck tires, not bias ply or other tractor tires. Reason being a radial is going to have less layers in the sidewall and be easier to cut there. You CAN generally drag a utility knife through car/truck tire sidewall, but it's going to be a lot harder on your wrists than the tiny ones i did up! Use the 'hook style' razor utility knife blades so you don't have to push the knife so much to keep it in. If you have to cut across the tread there's going to be steel mesh in there. Reciprocating saw will just vibrate the flexible workpiece back and forth instead of cutting it, so you're better off with a metal blade in a circular saw. It's gonna smell bad. :ROFLMAO: If you have metal wire showing at the end make sure to buzz it flat so it doesn't poke the tubes. Snips then hand file or just hold it up to a bench grinder is what i would do. I didn't have to worry about that with the tiny tires i cut up as liners because all their cords are just nylon. Heck, something even easier would be to just go get a bunch of that rubber floormat stuff they have on rolls by the foot at the home improvement stoors in the flooring section and just cut it down to width and roll out about 3-4 layers in there.

I'm throwing out a lot of educated guesses here because i haven't actually done this on a large tire YET but i DO do a lot of car/truck tire mounting/dismounting/repair as well as all my smaller tractor stuff myself. I'm an auto tech teacher so i just take stuff to work and use the machines there (not that our machines would work on your tire!). The above is what i can piece together from the large amount of automotive tire experience i have and the experiments i've done on up to 15-16" wheel tractor tires so far.


Good luck!
 
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It’s my rear tires with inner tubes. Will the slime seal the inner tubes you think? Might try that but didn’t think it would work.
This will. Use it all the time, even on tubed tires that slime didnt seal, with the slime still in the tube. Can find it on Amazon as well as a ballasted tire version.


Flatout is the same stuff, but in smaller packaging. One 32oz bottle of these sealed up a 1" long thorn gash in my front tire in less than a second and is still providing protection. A gallon or two in the rears would work for those. Also found on Amazon.


Someone else mentioned another version of these from another company that looked just as good. Cant remember what it was called though.
 
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I've actually tried flashing inside riding mower tires. It failed almost immediately. I actually think the edge of the flashing was cutting on the tubes. I planned to cut the tread section out of OTHER mower tires and stuff it in there as a liner but never got to it other than on some small 10" diameter 4.10-4 rims on the front of some rear engine riders. THOSE tires I cut easily with a utility knife! The kind of tire you'd need to cut up to use as a 'liner' on your tire would be pretty aggravating to do the cutting on, i think. I'd buy a purpose-made tire liner in this case for that reason. Keep in mind since tire liners are basically sized for the tires outside diameter and have nothing to do with rim diameter (minus the thickness of the tread part of the tire), you could use a liner from some other tire of similar diameter even if it's labelled for a totally different wheel/tire size as long as that tire works out close to your ~43" tire height. Probably about 40" inside diameter in there since your tread bars are probably over an inch tall and the body of the tire is probably 1/3" or so. It's ok if it's a little bigger because you can just slice across it (i've heard diagonal instread of straight across) and overlap it a little and the tube will just conform around it.

If you want to try making your own, try it on radial light truck tires, not bias ply or other tractor tires. Reason being a radial is going to have less layers in the sidewall and be easier to cut there. You CAN generally drag a utility knife through car/truck tire sidewall, but it's going to be a lot harder on your wrists than the tiny ones i did up! Use the 'hook style' razor utility knife blades so you don't have to push the knife so much to keep it in. If you have to cut across the tread there's going to be steel mesh in there. Reciprocating saw will just vibrate the flexible workpiece back and forth instead of cutting it, so you're better off with a metal blade in a circular saw. It's gonna smell bad. :ROFLMAO: If you have metal wire showing at the end make sure to buzz it flat so it doesn't poke the tubes. Snips then hand file or just hold it up to a bench grinder is what i would do. I didn't have to worry about that with the tiny tires i cut up as liners because all their cords are just nylon. Heck, something even easier would be to just go get a bunch of that rubber floormat stuff they have on rolls by the foot at the home improvement stoors in the flooring section and just cut it down to width and roll out about 3-4 layers in there.

I'm throwing out a lot of educated guesses here because i haven't actually done this on a large tire YET but i DO do a lot of car/truck tire mounting/dismounting/repair as well as all my smaller tractor stuff myself. I'm an auto tech teacher so i just take stuff to work and use the machines there (not that our machines would work on your tire!). The above is what i can piece together from the large amount of automotive tire experience i have and the experiments i've done on up to 15-16" wheel tractor tires so far.


Good luck!
you are right, my flashing failed immediately. It shifted just enough to bend the flashing and punctured the inner tube. I fix all my farm equipment tires as well. I built a small fixture to put on them to pop the tire off the bead. I jack tra rear off the ground, use it to break down the bead and then pull inner tube out. I never take wheels off the tractor. I think next round I will try putting the industrial sealer mentioned above. If that doesn’t work I may go buy a horse trailer mat and cut it to fit kind of like you are talking about using the door mat material.

I have tried to find a factory manufactured liner, the one company mentioned on here has never replied to me, I have contacted them several times. Not good for business.
 

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