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All caps - Wikipedia

Association with shouting Edit

Messages typed completely in capital letters are often equated on social media to shouting and other impolite or argumentative behaviors. This became a mainstream interpretation with the advent of networked computers, from the 1980s onward. However a similar interpretation was already evidenced by written sources that predated the computing era, in some cases by at least a century, and the textual display of shouting or emphasis online was not a settled matter as at 1984. The following sources may be relevant to the history of all-caps:[10]

The 6 September 1958 edition of Bookseller: The Organ of the Book Trade describes writing in lower-case "rather than shouting with all caps. The effect is pleasing to anybody in a contemplative mood."
The 17 April 1856 Yorkville Enquirer (South Carolina) uses the expression "This time he shouted it out in capital letters".
The 1880 The Standard speaker and elocutionist book has a section titled "SHOUTING STYLE", which states that "This will be seldom needed throughout an entire piece, but wherever the words imply calling, or commanding, it will be in keeping with the words to employ it. As examples note the following selections marked in CAPITAL letters as the appropriate place for shouting emphasis." A large number of literature examples are given where all caps has been used for shouting.
A 2014 article on netiquette (online etiquette) in New Republic titled "How Capital Letters Became Internet Code for Yelling",[11] which states that
According to Professor Paul Luna (department of typography and graphic communication at the University of Reading), all caps have been used "to convey grandeur, pomposity, or aesthetic seriousness for thousands of years", and for many years to express anger or shouting in print. Examples are cited such as pianist Philippa Schuyler's biography titled "Composition in Black and White" in the 1940s which used all-caps to "yell", and Robert Moses in the 1970s who used all caps to "convey rage" at a draft of a book.
Online newsgroups and bulletin board posts from around 1984 show that a user still needed to explain that "if it's in caps i'm trying to YELL",[12] and another summed up that there seemed to be a developing consensus that emphasis was given to words by all caps or surrounding them with *...* symbols.[13]
Further online discussion in 1984 included comments such as "Capitalizing whole words gives the impression that you're shouting".[13]
 
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I think many of us would be happy if the capitalized letters in this thread are the biggest problem we all face today..


So far, it has been... :laughing:
 
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I am just saying in the computer field, when it first started,(1950's) Caps was the normal as there was no lowercase. Not in the press. PC's started about 1982. I keep the caps lock on my computers most of the time, as my boss wants all caps. So if someone types in caps, it may mean nothing.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #44  
Tractor weight is one of many variables to consider when buying a tractor. Reduction of a tractor purchase decision to just gross weight is not going to give anyone favorable results.

Tractor buying is based on need. Then budget. Then availability of product that fits need and budget.

If I’m farming vegetables on a truck farm then I want a high horsepower compact/narrow tractor with low overall weight.

If I’m bushhogging 150 acres of steep hill country I want a low slung heavy 4wd tractor with 50% liquid filled tires set out as far as they will go. And good power.

The job dictates the tractor, not the other way around. That’s what makes tractor selection very important. Tractors are and have always been taylored to the job they must complete.
 
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I am just saying in the computer field, when it first started,(1950's) Caps was the normal as there was no lowercase. Not in the press. PC's started about 1982. I keep the caps lock on my computers most of the time, as my boss wants all caps. So if someone types in caps, it may mean nothing.

FWIW...most if not all TELEX messages were in all caps...TELEX networks were the precursor to computer networks...
 
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Tractor weight is one of many variables to consider when buying a tractor. Reduction of a tractor purchase decision to just gross weight is not going to give anyone favorable results.

Tractor buying is based on need. Then budget. Then availability of product that fits need and budget.

If I’m farming vegetables on a truck farm then I want a high horsepower compact/narrow tractor with low overall weight.

If I’m bushhogging 150 acres of steep hill country I want a low slung heavy 4wd tractor with 50% liquid filled tires set out as far as they will go. And good power.

The job dictates the tractor, not the other way around. That’s what makes tractor selection very important. Tractors are and have always been taylored to the job they must complete.
Exactly. Our L3830 weighed about 3200# as it came from the factory, adding about 1000# by loading the tires made it a completely different tractor for pulling a 3 bottom plow or a loaded hay wagon.
We bought on HP/frame size needed and added weight to meet our traction needs.

Aaron Z
 
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I am very new to tractors. Mine weighs about 2000 lbs and I find it limiting. I would like to find something I could afford that is about double the weight. In my case, i would like to lift pallets of wood and other heavy items. My neighbor has a larger Kubota, and i can see the advantage of a larger machine.

As others have stated, weight may not be the only criteria for some, but I tend to believe that most users will benefit from having a heavier machine. BTW, I do not list finish mowing as a primary tractor task.
 
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I appreciate Jeff's attempt to create some kind of guide, instead of the usual random opinions and repetitive arguments that happen with so many "how to choose a tractor" threads.

I think some of the *frustration* with Jeff is that he rarely responds directly to the many valid questions and challenges that are posted in response to his guides. He just spits out a guide. Then a slew of questions/comments happen. Then at some point he spits out another version, perhaps with some very small changes. There is little discussion, debate, or interaction. This makes people feel ignored. It makes Jeff seem like he's above everyone else. If you look at the classical definition of a *forum,* it is all about debate and discussion, and ideally should lead to some kind of resolution, or at least to further research. It is not one person standing on a pedestal and proclaiming the truth while others simply listen.

So I applaud the effort, not the least because on another forum in which I was quite active, I spearheaded the effort to consolidate some of the collective wisdom of the forum into some easy-to-read guides as "stickies." But I did it as part of a community effort. Feedback was solicited and whenever possible or reasonable, it was incorporated. The end result had to have a large degree of consensus, or else it was useless. If your guide doesn't have broad consensus within the community, your guide just ends up creating MORE debate.

To arrive at broad consensus, I had to listen to everyone. Respond individually to their opinions and comments. I had to "give" on many small points. On larger points that I felt were important, I had to try to convince people. The end result was a guide that the majority of the community agreed with (you'll never get everyone :) ) partly because they had contributed to it. And so members could link to the guide in answer to common questions, instead of having the same debates over and over and over again.... Saving time, and also unifying the community. So there was a lot of value there.

My first suggestion to Jeff would be to try to respond individually to some of the responses in his thread.
 
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I appreciate Jeff's attempt to create some kind of guide, instead of the usual random opinions and repetitive arguments that happen with so many "how to choose a tractor" threads.

I think some of the *frustration* with Jeff is that he rarely responds directly to the many valid questions and challenges that are posted in response to his guides. He just spits out a guide. Then a slew of questions/comments happen. Then at some point he spits out another version, perhaps with very small changes. There is little discussion, debate, or interaction.

Since February 2, 2018 there have been 288 replies directly associated with this content. I have copied it as "boilerplate" or excerpts into multiple Buying/Pricing/Comparison threads and replied, often at length, to questions. My intended audience is primarily tractor neophytes and less experienced tractor owners dissatisfied with the capability of their first tractor purchase.

It is hopeless debating adamant experienced tractor users whose conditions and experiences vary from mine. Experienced owners can debate each other.

The opening of this thread iteration does not include the invitation contributions welcome of its forebears.
 
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There's a video on youtube showing a steam tractor towing what looks to be a souped up JD pulling tractor, backward. The JD's wheels are spinning and digging. In this case weight is an advantage. When it comes time to run a heavy duty slasher or batwing, high hp and a pto come in mighty handy. A lighter tractor would be easier to pull without a lowboy and a CDL too.
 

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