Tractor Sizing TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION

   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #51  
Since February 2, 2018 there have been 288 replies directly associated with this content. I have copied it as "boilerplate" or excerpts into multiple Buying/Pricing/Comparison threads and replied, often at length, to questions. My intended audience is primarily tractor neophytes and less experienced tractor owners dissatisfied with the capability of their first tractor purchase.

It is hopeless debating adamant experienced tractor users whose conditions and experiences vary from mine. Experienced owners can debate each other.

The opening of this thread iteration does not include the invitation contributions welcome of its forebears.
If you don’t want any discussion of your posts, then posting on a open, discussion forum is the wrong place for your posts. While your intentions may be good, you have no more rights on what or who, posts to any threads on this forum. There had been many, good posts on this thread, with valid points but you keep copping the attitude that your way is the only correct one. It’s too bad that you have a narrow minded attitude because a lot of people on this site have some really good ideas and contributions.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION
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How did you form the opinion I discourage discussion?

Discuss away. I believe the diversity of opinions expressed on T-B-N to be its strength.

I will not participate unless contribution is germane and breaks new ground. Few besides myself will have read all 292 endlessly repetitious posts. Your post, for instance, never mentions TRACTOR WEIGHT.

It is hopeless debating adamant experienced tractor users whose conditions and experiences vary from mine. Experienced owners can debate each other.
 
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   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #53  
it is all about debate and discussion

Discussion yes, not every thread needs debate. As a matter of fact there are many threads that turn into a debate of some kind and turns into being many pages of information that have no value to the OP's questions in the first place.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #54  
The simple solution to avoid controversy is...
When citing or posting guideline criterion DO NOT invoke ANY personal opinion or experience...period...
Just the facts ma'am...!
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #55  
Not surprisingly, we can all read the same thing and come to different conclusions. Nothing Jeff has posted lead me to believe I should buy a tractor that was too big for my property, trailer, budget or shed. What I gathered was that weight was an important factor in being able to USE the HP of your tractor.

Many dealers and posters seemed to indicate that HP was a "SINGLE CRITERION" in tractor selection. But what good is tons of HP if you can't use it?

If I were limited by other factors such as yard layout, narrow trails, etc. I would still buy the heaviest tractor that met all other criteria. If saving grass from damage by a heavy tractor was important I would use a light weight mower but that is my criteria and only applies to me.

Jeff's posts, and many others, helped me purchase my first tractor and I couldn't be happier.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #56  
My criteria was frame size that could pull 6' ground engaging implements. Weight comes into play with that. Horsepower not so much.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #57  
The simple solution to avoid controversy is...
When citing or posting guideline criterion DO NOT invoke ANY personal opinion or experience...period...
Just the facts ma'am...!

Then we wouldn't have a forum, which I'm sure was your point, because all we have is our personal opinions and experiences. Except for specs maybe. And those seem open to debate too, at times. :) There are some good general principles, like put enough weight on the rear when using an FEL, ROPS up/seatbelt on, etc. You'll still get arguments on some of that even....and the rest is relative.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion as long as you present it honestly. Precede it with: "In my experience..." "I think..." "On flat/steep/rocky/rough/hilly/muddy/dry/sandy/hot/snowy/wooded/open (fill in the blank) property, what works best for me is...."

One of my heros is Ben Franklin (whose autobiography BTW is an excellent read). He addressed this very point about how to argue effectively, how to debate without causing rancor, and how best to persuade others:

I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fixed opinion; such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc. I adopted instead of them, I conceived, I apprehend or I imagine a thing to be so, or it so appears to me at present.

When another asserted something that I thought an error, I denied myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly. [Instead,] I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but that in the present case there appeared or seemed to me some difference, etc.

I soon found the advantage of this change in my manners. The conversations I engaged in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I proposed my opinions procured them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevailed with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right.

And this mode, which at first put on with some violence to [my] natural inclination, became at length so easy and habitual to me that perhaps for these fifty years past no one has ever heard a dogmatical expression escape me. And to this Habit (after my Character of Integrity) I think is principally owing that I had early so much weight with my fellow citizens when I proposed new institutions or alterations in the old and so much influence in public councils. I was a bad speaker, never eloquent, subject to much hesitation in my choice of words, hardly correct in language, yet I generally carried my points. --Benjamin Franklin
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #58  
From Jeff's post "The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to define potential tractor applications first, then determine bare tractor weight needed to safely accomplish your tasks."

So what is it about his post that is not factual? What part of the post says that weight is the only factor to be considered? (I made a personal decision to apply my budget to this advice even though it was not specifically stated)

Not everything has to start with "in my opinion" or "in my experience". Some things are factual and the poster needn't concern him/herself with pretending to be humble to avoid hurting feelings.

Most things posted here are opinions of the free variety. Readers should use caution when getting free advice from complete strangers online......... In my humblest opinion and experience.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #59  
Well, it doesn't take much weight at all to move a mower deck. It does, however, take a lot of HP to spin the blades and keep them spinning in heavy grass. So the whole weight is more important than HP argument goes all Bill the Cat for me.

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   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #60  
Well, it doesn't take much weight at all to move a mower deck. It does, however, take a lot of HP to spin the blades and keep them spinning in heavy grass. So the whole weight is more important than HP argument goes all Bill the Cat for me.

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I humbly refer you back to this -"The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to define potential tractor applications first, then determine bare tractor weight needed to safely accomplish your tasks."

If spinning heavy blades in grass is YOUR potential tractor application then determine the bare weight needed to safely accomplish your tasks. :)
 
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