Tractor Sizing TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION

   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #61  
I have a scut and I add weight for a number of tasks and remove it for some other tasks, if the tractor can be on the lighter side for some applications and within a few minutes I can make it heavy enough to do some other things that’s the way I want it.

My brother has big farm tractors that need to be heavy to use the implements for 100 hp tractors so a light weight tractor is of no use to him at all..
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #62  
Well, it doesn't take much weight at all to move a mower deck. It does, however, take a lot of HP to spin the blades and keep them spinning in heavy grass. So the whole weight is more important than HP argument goes all Bill the Cat for me.

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It really depends on how you are going to use your tractor. PTO equipment needs more power with less emphasis on weight. Ground engagement implements require more weight than power to make them work better. But and this a big but, a tractor purchased with too much emphasis on one trait will lead to a tractor that doesn’t perform well because it is either a Doggy tractor because it is too heavy to get out of it’s own way or it spins all the time because it can’t put all it’s power to the ground efficiently. When I was farming for a living, we had tractors that fell in both categories but because we had many tractors, we could pick the tractor to use that fit the tasks at hand the best. Sometimes, you couldn’t always choose the right one because every tractor was needed and it stunk to be under powered or be spinning all the time. However, you make do with what you have.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #63  
Anyone consider the weight to HP relationship?? That would mean far more than just weight.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #64  
Anyone consider the weight to HP relationship?? That would mean far more than just weight.

That’s a very good way to look at it.
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #65  
Also weight per foot of tractor width is another factor I'd consider. Personally I would hate a tractor that can't dig with a tractor width bucket, or pull a solid box blade that is a foot wider than the tractor. Probably if I bought again I'd try to get an even heavier 6'-6.5' wide tractor with a low centre of gravity. But I'm in the hills, move lots of dirt, and love to rip up grass with Ag tires as it means I'm not going for a ride down the hill or sliding into the ditch!
 
   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION
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WORKING DRAFT (7.41)​

The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Heavier tractor weight is more important for most tractor applications than increased tractor horsepower. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models, new and used. The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to define potential tractor applications first, then determine bare tractor weight necessary to safely accomplish your tasks.

Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, a significant tractor capability increase requires a bare tractor weight increase of 50%. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential or hobby farm applications on one to ten flat acres.

Selling a used tractor is easy. Selling multiple light implements in order to buy heavier, wider implements for a heavier tractor requires a lot of time. Depreciation on implements is generally greater than depreciation on a tractor.

Tractors over 3,000 pounds bare weight are generally offered in a economy configuration and a deluxe configuration. Deluxe kit enhances productivity and operator comfort ~~~ but you must pay.

Heavier tractors are constructed are built using thicker steel to withstand higher stress. Heavier tractors have larger wheels/tires. A heavier tractor with large diameter wheels/tires has more traction pulling ground contact implements, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Large wheels and tires enable a heavier tractor to bridge holes, ruts and tree debris with less implement and operator disturbance.



Four wheel drive is essential on hillsides. Four wheel drive supplies increased traction and braking. When descending slopes 4-WD augments rear brakes as tractor weight shifts forward, decreasing rear tire grip.

Compact tractors optimized for hill work have liquid installed in the rear tires rather than air. "Loaded" tires are filled 50% with liquid, which lowers the tractor's center-of-gravity, increasing rollover resistance. "Loading" two compact tractor rear tires will increase tractor weight 300 pounds to 800 pounds over weight of identical rear tires inflated with air.

A quality dealer, reasonably close, available for coaching, is important for tractor neophytes. Most new tractor are delivered with a glitch or two requiring correction. My kubota dealer is six miles away. I feel my local dealer continues to add value to my equipment after seven years. Dealer proximity is less important for those experienced with tractors and qualified to perform their own maintenance.

BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR.​
 
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   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #67  
On this question of tractor weight, would a Deere 5065M with 65 HP and weighing about 7800 lbs with cab, be a better tractor for land shaping, loader work, haying, and running a tree shaker than say a Kubota 7060 or 8560? I'm a complete neophyte on tractors but really like a 5065M for sale in my area. Worried about the HP though. The same dealer has a 5425 with more horsepower but a little lighter. Thanks
 
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mckinney

Would a Deere 5065M with 65 HP and weighing about 7800 lbs with cab, be a better tractor for land shaping, loader work, haying, and running a tree shaker than say a Kubota 7060 or 8560?

I'm a complete neophyte on tractors but really like a 5065M for sale in my area. Worried about the HP though. The same dealer has a 5425 with more horsepower but a little lighter.

Are you considering Kubota 7060 and 8560 open station or cab?

Is the Deere 5425 equipped with a cab, like the Deere 5065?

Are ALL of the above tractors 4-WD?

It is important to compare apples to apples.



"land shaping, loader work, and running a tree shaker" For these tasks, where traction and stability are key, tractor weight is more important than tractor horsepower. How/if the rear wheels/tires are ballasted would also be a contributing factor, less for a cab tractor, where cab weight bears mostly on the rear axle, more important factor for an open station tractor.

"haying" I do not hay myself, although I live where hay is an important crop. Someone else will reply to this question.
 
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   / TRACTOR WEIGHT as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION #69  
Hi Jeff, the 5425 is also a cab tractor and I'm looking at Kubota cab tractors as well (7060, 8560, 8200). The 5065M has 1050 hrs and is super clean. 5425 has 2700 hrs but is also very clean.
 
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mckinney

Would a Deere 5065M with 65 HP and weighing about 7800 lbs with cab, be a better tractor for land shaping, loader work, haying, and running a tree shaker than say a Kubota 7060 or 8560?

I'm a complete neophyte on tractors but really like a 5065M for sale in my area. Worried about the HP though. The same dealer has a 5425 with more horsepower but a little lighter.

Are you considering Kubota 7060 and 8560 open station or cab?

Is the Deere 5425 equipped with a cab, like the Deere 5065?

It is important to compare apples to apples.



"land shaping, loader work, and running a tree shaker" For these tasks, where traction and stability are key, tractor weight is more important than tractor horsepower.

"haying" I do not hay myself, although I live where hay is an important crop. Someone else will reply to this question.
My advice to you is to buy anything but a JD 5065E. They are problematic and cheaply built in India. There are tons of them for sale with less than 100 hrs on them. Make sure you are looking at the M. The JD 5065M, Kubota M7060, Massey Ferguson 4707, Case 75c, and New Holland Powerstar 75 should be on your list.
 

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