Trade 3720 for 4520?

   / Trade 3720 for 4520?
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#21  
What do you plan on doing with the 4520? I have had a 4520 cab for almost a year. I also have a 5525 cab. R4s on the 4520 is OK all around, but sucks in the mud.

You might watch machinefinder - sometimes wheels and tires come available on there.

D.

I have a lot of attachments for a CUT that would probably be undersized for a 5000 series. Until last year, I had a JD 5300. Really handy tractor. The pto hp of a 2009 4520 is nearly the same as a 5300. Still want to use finish mower, box blade, seeder, tiller etc on the 4000 series that I used for my 3720. Definitely R1 tires for traction and mud. Will add 440 lbs of rear weights to put the power to the ground. Would love to have a 5525 in the stable but just to big for mowing next to fences, buildings etc. With hydro, I can go within 1-2" of buildings and just creep past things when mowing.

The top of the drawbar is 10" on my 3720. On the 4000 series, the hieght should be around 16" with R1 tires. I want the clearance and more normal drawbar height. What surprises me is the front axle clearance is almost the same with both series.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #22  
You should consider the 4720. The air ride seat is standard as I understand it. I added it to my 4520 - I should have just gotten the 4720 instead.

Good luck,
D.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520?
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#23  
You should consider the 4720. The air ride seat is standard as I understand it. I added it to my 4520 - I should have just gotten the 4720 instead.

Good luck,
D.

I did check out the 4720. Including the air ride seat on the 4520 and equipped exactly the same, the 4720 is still $2000 higher. For 6 more hp, I didn't think it justified the additional cost. (Obviously JD thinks it does.) The 60 hp on the new 4520 was bumped up to the hp of the prior 4720. The newer 4720s now have 66 hp. I figure, the relative small frame of the 4000 series is going to have enough trouble put the hp to the ground at 60 hp. The only time I would use max hp is on some grain augers or when pulling loads down the road. My prior 5300 with 50 pto was not enough for my largest 10" grain augers.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #24  
I did check out the 4720. Including the air ride seat on the 4520 and equipped exactly the same, the 4720 is still $2000 higher. For 6 more hp, I didn't think it justified the additional cost. (Obviously JD thinks it does.) The 60 hp on the new 4520 was bumped up to the hp of the prior 4720. The newer 4720s now have 66 hp. I figure, the relative small frame of the 4000 series is going to have enough trouble put the hp to the ground at 60 hp. The only time I would use max hp is on some grain augers or when pulling loads down the road. My prior 5300 with 50 pto was not enough for my largest 10" grain augers.


I came to the same decision when deciding on the 4520 this year. That extra two thousand was put towards implements instead.


Steve
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #25  
radman,

I have had both these machines. In fact, I have had two 3720's among my many tractors. I now have a little 2320 and although my tractoring buddies laugh at me, it is about my favorite to operate of all. With regard to the 4520, it is MUCH more tractor than the 3720. The difference in almost all areas of performance is notable. I really like the size of the 3720, but in reality the 4520 is not that much larger in actual "taking up space" size, but it looks HUGE compared with a 3000 series. The kicker is transporting it. Because it is so large and has larger tires, a fully-ballasted 4000 series machine can be a challenge to haul, unless one has a 3/4 ton or larger truck. If your machine is likely to stay put in one location, then it is a great choice. There IS a major difference in ground clearance. High centering can happen but it is not likely. As for the tires, R4 tires on any machine are simply not adequate for very muddy conditions, or icy based snow. They have very firm sidewalls and primarily are meant to not distort under heavy loads and wear well. Ballasting does help, even in mud, but the difference is not that notable. R1 tires, on any machine, will markedly improve traction. Thus, if you decided to keep your 3720 and went with R1 tires, your problem would get much better. It would be better still on a larger, higher machine like a 4520. I cannot attest to whether a 4520 would get a great deal better traction with R1's but can say I did switch my R4's to R1's on my last 3720. It would pull my box blade up our steep slippery gravel drive better with unloaded R1's than with loaded R4's. The only downside to R1 tires in either a 3000 or 4000 series machine is that if one does load them they are so narrow they do not hold a great deal of liquid ballast v. the wider R4 so weights might also be needed.

My thought is that even spending for a wheel and tire combo, you are likely to come out better not taking a large hit trading in your 3720 and when you do go to sell your machine, having two sets of wheels and tires might be a strong selling point. I think your current machine would perform better and closer to your expectation with a tire switch only. If you are just really looking to trade, the 4000 series tractors are more capable, but at a price. One often does not realize just how much larger they are (although their footprints aren't that much different) until one sees a 3000 and 4000 side by side. Going to a 4520 with R4 tires likely will not totally solve your problem and you will be poorer for it and still not totally happy without a tire upgrade. As for a 4520 v. a 4720, this is personal choice. I would argue for ground engagement work and non-pto work a 4120 is as good as a 4720. Both these machines have more power than grip, and I would strongly doubt a 4720 would outperform a 4120 in this case. Most of what a buyer gets with a 4720 or 4520 is more PTO HP to power implements which may tax the engine and the cache' of having the top end machine(s). Just a thought.....because a lower HP 4000 series machine would come a bit closer to price than the big HP ones. Keep in mind the engine, hydraulics and most attachments are exactly the same among the 4000 series.

John M
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #26  
I came to the same decision when deciding on the 4520 this year. That extra two thousand was put towards implements instead.


Steve

Funny - I mentioned to check out the 4720. I bought a 4520 last year. Of course the HP ratings are lower on the 2008s. Regardless - it works great.

D.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #27  
You can say that again about a 4120 being able to do just as much ground engaging work as a 4720. My 4120 with loaded rear tires can move dirt with the front loader much faster than my neighbor's 4720 with unloaded rears. Without adequate weight there is just no way to get that extra power to the ground.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520?
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#28  
I agree, on paper, the 4000 series don't seem much physically bigger. However, I saw both side-by-side 2 weeks ago. The 4000 seems much bigger. Partly because of the overall height, width and larger tires. I drove the 4000 around a bit. It turned and handled similar to my 3720. Most noticeable part was the higher ride height. Cabs are identical as I expected. I am not concerned about hauling the 4000 series. I have 3/4 diesel pickup and 14K rated trailer.

Got 3 bids for 4520 with trade in of 3720. One bid is about $3200-3400 cheaper than the other 2. Just need to decide if I want to pull the trigger on new or try the R1 tires on the 3720. The rear R1 tires are only 3" bigger in overall diameter for the 3720 compared to the R4 tires. Not much gain in clearance. The R1 rear tires on the 4000 series are 11" bigger in diameter than my current R4 tires on the 3720.

My bid for the cabbed 4520 with FEL, R1 tires and options is about 16% off list. I bought my prior 3720 for 18% off list. I have the 4520 optioned with 440 lbs of rear weights. Is that enough?

Another question. Is the E-pto worth the extra $$. It is a $400-500 option.

Looked at a cabbed 5000 series today. It was a 5101E (101 hp) with is at the top of the 5000 series. It seemed massive compared to a 4520. I still want the 5000 series tires on a 4000 series.;)
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #29  
I have a 5525 and it is huge compared to the 4520. The longer wheel base and mass make it much easier on you as an operator in the field. Spend some time with the 5101E and you might just bring it home. Depending on the kind of work you do - it might be a better all around tractor. You have larger tractors, so the 4520 might be a good in between.

I think if you can get some R1s cheap for your 3720 - maybe you try it. I suspect you might be putting good money after bad since you have looked at these other tractors.

D.
 
   / Trade 3720 for 4520? #30  
Another question. Is the E-pto worth the extra $$. It is a $400-500 option.

It depends on what you plan to use the tractor for. Mine is used about 70-80% of the time for brush hogging, so it made sense for me to get the E-PTO. I really like the feature. I haven't even tried mowing without it yet - no reason to. It probably would make even more of a difference without a cab.

-Dave
 

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