Trencher and poorboys stump grinder

   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder
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#11  
It wouldn't look it's age if I had painted it, or stored it inside...but I didn't, so it really does. Thankfully it was made out of serious metal, so it hasn't rusted away yet.

I really didn't know how this thing would perform as I built it, but I figured I could change the length of the teeth (which is why there is so much clearance on the guard, or I could shorten them, or if need be, even narrow them up. I built it to lay sprinkler system pipe so the 3" is really too wide if your doing it for a living. (I'm not)
Horsepower and shock are the critical factors. I used it on my last place, which had a lot of sand, so it was fine, but on harder packed dirt, it needs some help (Note that it has always been pulled by a 13hp Ford 1100) Now that I have the John Deere, I am waiting for another project to try it out on. Have considered a yardlight in the front yard, but I don't know where my phone lines are at, so need to have them located first. Plus it really isn't a pressing idea with street lights.
1:1 ratio gives a pretty fast speed, but not too fast. Any less than that can be adjusted by the diameter of the wheel. The bigger the wheel, the more HP, and faster surface speed at the tip of the blade. Calculations of the speed of the blade tips are really not that hard to figure. I can calculate the blade tip speed if anyone really needs it. Most of the guys here with the monster tractors (compared to the 13HP) will be able to pretty much do what they want. However, larger wheels will probably eat hp up pretty fast, so don't over do it, just to get the depth. Curved blades, or angle blades will probably help reduce the hp consumption. Narrow blades will also help for the people with compact tractors. A flat shaped discs or flatbar, like a garden tiller uses, riding behind the trencher would probably help to keep it in line if your 3pt has much play side to side. Might complicate making turns, so taking the slack out of your 3pt might be easier.
Stump grinding is something this thing manages to do, but in this setup, it doesn't do it well. With sharp teeth, it will eat a 3" hole right thru a solid stump, but as light as it is, it requires a light touch on the lift handle to slowly feed it as it cuts. Precision during blade manufacture would probably have been a good thing, as mine were different lengths when I installed them. (remember 1st milling machine project).Side to side slack in the 3pt hitch also becomes a very noticable factor. The best way would be to able to control the slack as movement, but that takes some designs I didn't want to tackle. An increase in the number of teeth, and a little shorter would be good if your planning on doing much stump work. Roots under ground don't seem to effect this, probably due to the angle of pull when lowered.
I have also considered turning the wheel at a slight angle to clean out existing ditches, and to make new ones to control water runoff around my place. An angle would allow it to dig a half moon shaped ditch.
Anyone with a post hole digger gearbox that wants to trade for one of my spare 1:1 gearboxes, feel free to contact me. One of my next projects is a posthole digger.
Any questions, just ask.
David from jax
 
   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder #12  
David,
I don't have a PHD gear box to trade but I'm interested in buying one or two of your gear boxes. Send me a PM if you're interested.
Thanks,
 
   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder
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#13  
Rob,
I will consider it after I have located a PHD gearbox, or given up and bought the whole thing. It isn't really high on the priority list so I won't be in a big hurry.
I have also considered building another one of these, and trading it for a complete PHD, or something. I really only need a PHD for a half dozen holes in the 12" diameter range, to set some powerline poles so I can throw up a pole barn.
Trust me, I have way too many projects for anyone of them to get in too big a hurry.
David from jax
 
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#14  
A little closer to you, and for sale...

ebay link

David from jax

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   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder #15  
Alright David,
I'll email the sellor and ask if he knows the HP input rating for it.
Thanks for the link.
 
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Rob,
Your welcome on the link. Good luck, because the seller doesn't even know for sure who makes it. I suspect the PTO hp of your tractor will be more than mine also, if you come down to rated spec's. I never called to find out what my gearboxes are rated at.

For anyone wanting to know what the diameter of the wheel at the blade tips is, I just measured it.
28 inches tip to tip, 540 rpm is what it has always been run at, blade tip speed should be easy to figure.
David from jax
 
   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder #17  
To me these look like generic right angle 1:1 gearcases used on grain augers. Pretty common stuf in the ag world. With any markings and a good supplier catalog, can likely get the hp ratings of them.

That 'possibly IH' unit probably is not. There used to be a common gearcase with pto shaft & slipclutch that came fro the IHC mounted cornpickers. They had one input, 2 output shafts - not a single output.

--->Paul
 
   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder #18  
Cool. How much of the dirt falls back in the trench?
gabby
 
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Gabby,
More than I like, but it is pulverized to a point that it comes out very easily. It depends on the depth that you are trenching, for several reasons. The guard is wider than the blade, so dirt hitting the guard falls next to the trench, but if your trenching too deep, it builds up in excess and falls into the trench. Deep trenching also lowers the guard, so it knocks some of the dirt back into the hole also.
Although a pain, scooping the pulverized dirt out is a whole lot easier than taking a shovel and digging the trench by hand if you know what I mean.
I have actually dug trenches 10" deep, to bury a pipe 6" so I wouldn't have to scoop any of the dirt out. Yeah, call me lazy if you want...
I have considered putting a semi circle shaped scoop right behind the wheel, as part of the guard, to keep the dirt out, but like a Post hole digger, you only use it so much, so why spend the extra time designing and building when it works ok?
(Now if I could save another $40, I might have a reason!LOL)
Tooth configuration is probably the easiest way to solve the dirt problem, along with acess in the guard to get rid of it.
David from jax
 
   / Trencher and poorboys stump grinder #20  
I think I will stick with my pipe plow. No loose dirt or backfilling. It doesn't grind stumps very well though!!
 
 

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