Tresspassers and Cable Gates.

   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #31  
Don't you wish you had your digital camera when you need it. Can you imagine knocking on the door and saying "howdy neighbor recognize this kid?" All I ever catch are the tracks. I don't mind them riding on the farm but I would hate to wind up in court if they got hurt.

Chris
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #32  
""Don't you wish you had your digital camera when you need it."" You do not need anything that fancy.. I now carry a throw-down one time use camera almost every time I go out... Only $3 last time I picked up one at Wal-Mart. Have had really great luck with them on several times.... sure wish I had them several other times.. If you would like to see a example I post one...
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #33  
I don't mind them riding on the farm but I would hate to wind up in court if they got hurt.

This happened to a guy down the road last year. Around here the country has a 50ft. right of way on either side of the road. Well the county has said that it is ok for snowmobilers to ride on this 50 ft. of YOUR property. To make a long story short one of the guys had a concrete waterpipe to go under his driveway. It's been there for 20 years or better. Then where the water goes in the concrete is built up like a wall to prevent erosion. Well in the process of moving snow he pushed snow over that end of the wall and pipe. It looked like it was just a snow bank. Well sure enough one of the snowmobilers ran into it. The kid totalled his snowmobile broke an arm, collarbone, and had a bad concussion. The sheriff said it was his fault, the farmer, because he hadn't put up warning signs that the concrete was there. They cited him for reckless endangerment. The kids parents are suing him. The suit hasn't come to court yet so I don't know how it will end up. But can you believe the kind of crap that gets pulled?
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #34  
I'm surprised. I thought most states now had recreational use laws that limit the owner's liability as long as no fees are paid for use. I linked to a page describing New York State's law.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.americanwhitewater.org/resources/repository/New_York_Recreational_Use_Statute.htm>NYS Recreational Use Law</A>
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #35  
Here are <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.law.utexas.edu/dawson/recreate/recreate.htm>links to recreational use statutes for your state</A>.
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #36  
Excellent link! Very informative. Thanks.
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #37  
Yes you are right. But what the county was saying is that this guy exhibited gross negligence in knowing that the concrete was there, knowing snowmobilers used it, and then covering it with snow and failing to put out proper warnings.
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #38  
As we move closer to the house building process I am greatly concerned about trespassing on our land. Our parcel was part of a larger one where the current owner lets his friends hunt and do whatever. I have already heard about the local hunter who goes out drunk at shoots at whatever moves, the kids party on the back road about 1600' from my front property line.

Tresspassing should be like the old days. If it ain't yours don't go on it. If it's posted you will prosecuted. For me I will be putting up my signs, making it clear that someone owns it, doesn't want unwanted people on it and I will prosecute over it.

I lived in the country before and everyone knew everyone, but today everyone wants to sue you since they (or the kid) was too stupid to look out.

I figure if you want a place to ride you ATV, go buy some land to do it on. Mine is not for sale and not open to the public. I do plan on a gate on my driveway at some point.
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #39  
Well H_E_Double toothpicks, I sure am glad to get the URL for this info.

11. Entry upon farm or ranch lands for recreational purposes--Duty of owner

Except as specifically recognized by or provided in Section 5 of this act, an owner of land which is used primarily for farming or ranching activities owes no duty of care to keep the premises safe for entry or use by others for recreational purposes, or to give any warning of a dangerous condition, use, structure, or activity on such premises to persons entering for such purposes.

How about that! Sounds pretty much like "Tresspasser Beware." For that matter, folks with permission but who are not charged a fee (paid use is covered by a different numbered paragraph) are strictly "at their own risk", as it should be.

Brief asside: Lets hear it for the sanity of the dog mauling case!!! Potential jail time is a bit light but should send a message to all the Bozos with attack trained killer dogs who allow their dogs to interface with the public.

After a year and a half I still haven't caught a litter bug on the N-S gravel road which is my western boundary. Lots of beer bottles (glass beverage containers should be outlawed or have a $1.00 or more deposit to ensure they don't end up as part of the landscape.) I really would like to catch the ones that pull off the road onto my land at my entry points where the fence is "indented" for a gate. What is intended to let ME get off the road to negotiate the gate serves as a place for the litterbugs to get off the road, park to drink beer, and toss the bottles, cans, and cartons out the window on my property. If I am bush hogging the right of way or near the fence or gates and hear the sound of a bottle breaking under a tractor tire it REALLY ticks me off.

One day while I was away, my wife noticed folks a hundred yards from my mom's back door and went to find out what they were doing. They had parked in that driveway at the locked gate, crawled through the pipe fence, and were fishing, picknicking (with a fire for wieners and marshmallows, and letting there children run loose around the two ponds and their dams. They said they were unaware that ownership had changed hands (almost 4 years) and that they had permision from the previous owner. Lucky for them I was not there! Prior to moving on to this parcel (160 + AC) I had a property manager who looked after my interests (Grazing leases, building rental, etc.) in exchange for fishing rights to the 8 ponds for him, his son, and one friend. He ran off several folks who were tresspassing and I used to get a laugh out of the stories and excuses he relayed to me especially the ones about being "grandfathered" regarding fishing permision because the previous owner let them.

Strangest case was a neighbor who treated my property like his own in my absence. He went roaring down to one pond on his 4 wheeler, armed with a rifle in a scabbard and a pistol on his belt to harrass a fisherman, shouting, "who is fishing on MY pond?" The fisherman was the chief of police from the town a mile away who was fishing with my permission, in fact,then he was the only non-family person with permission to fish on my place unaccompanied. Of course the chief, in or out of uniform is armed and the would be intimidation fizzeled like a wet match. I have subsequently had my lawyer send that neighbor a letter with a long list of demands of things he is to immediately cease, desist, and refrain from doing with any form of tresspass leading the list.

And in closing, my dear friends and neighbors... Is it just me or doesn't is seem really truly DUMB that tresspassing isn't tresspassing unless you post your land with shotgun targets (oops I mean no tresspassing signs) I.A.W. THE LAW. Seems to me that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that folks would forget that it wasn't their property or not notice the 5 wire barbed wire fence they had to negotiate to get there. Why should I have to continuosly put up signs to warn people that it isn't there land?

Patrick
 
   / Tresspassers and Cable Gates. #40  
Thanks Rubintropfen, that link was great.

When I got this place the local snow mobile club asked for a ROW to use a trail. I gave it to them but only for one year to see how it would go. By signing this state approved form I was also getting 1 million dollars of liability insurance for free. It is an incentive to keep you land open 'cause snowmobilers are important to the states economy.
Well the snowmobilers were great. Never used the trail unless there was sufficient snow. heck they don't want to ruin there expensive sleds. But come spring the 4 wheelers showed up. I think their goal is to cause damage. They would repeatedly go up and down a steep hill just to see "rooster tails" of mud flung up. And they didn't stay on the trail. I hated 'em. So I did not sign up the following year. The snowmobile club was very understanding. Thet put the word out and we never had snowmobilers again.

Still were fighting with the 4wheelers. We watched in amazement as a father let his ~5 YO daughter drive up the muddy hill which is to steep to walk up without using your hands. On a 4 wheeler she probably couldn't control on a level parking lot. So we hauled downed trees and general debris to seal the trail. Put a huge pile at each end right under no tresspassing signs. Still had trouble. My wife had to go stop a group of riders who were very efficiently clearing the debris pile. "But we always ride here" they whined as she made them put back the brush pile and pointed out the signs.

Last year she petitioned the town for a guardrail on the road where cars constantly miss the curve and land in our property. Showed them photos and all the police reports of accidents there. Well she got it and the road crew extended it far enough to completely block the trail so we had no trouble this winter. We'' see how it goes now that it is mudseason (spring).

Phil
 

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