Uh Oh Poison Ivy.....

   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #41  
One word, ZANFEL. Get it, use it, forget about it. Here in the Foothills off the Sierra Nevada Mountains we have Poison Oak that grows like weeds or Ivy, some folks get it just looking at it cross eyed. Zanfel works as Ultrarunner mentions.

PS ultra runner, ever do the AR50, it goes right by me at Rattlesnake Bar?
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #42  
ZANFEL is not cheap, but it works for me. I would get poison oak in my eyes and neck when running the D3 over the firetrails

I am sensative enough to get it just from the dust generated clearing the trails.

Over the years I learned 3 things to minimize my exposure.
1. Only Bulldoze about 3 days after a good rain
2. Use armour pre exposure barrier lotion
3. Wash with Zanfel when done.

So far no more poison oak.

PS RaT: I have never run the AR50 but my 70 year old Mom does! I will tell her to look for you next year.
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #43  
Bring those finicky goats down here and we'll throw 'em in a kuzdu patch. They'll learn to eat it, cause it kills everything else. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #44  
When you know you been exposed to poison the best thing to do is to wash all exposed areas as soon as possible with Dawn dish washing liquid. It cuts the oils of the poison to a minium.
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #45  
The chemical that causes problems in poison ivy (and other members of the Rhus family) is in a subclass of catechols, called urushiol. It is not an acid, and does not cause a chemical burn.

What does happen is that urushiol is absorbed into your skin cells (its an oil of sorts and goes into the cell rather easily), where it is oxidized to a quinone derivative. This metabolite will react with proteins in your skin cells, forming proteins that appear "foreign" to your body. This starts a beautiful immune response from your body that ends up in it attacking itself to eliminate these foreign cells---that is in essence the allergic contact dermatitis response that poison ivy causes.

Washing the stuff off quickly will help. Water, soap are good. There's no need to "neutralize" anything. Antihistamines and corticosteroids are usually used to treat, if the reaction is severe.

More than you ever wanted to know about poison ivy, I'm sure... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #46  
Kofronj,

You sound knowledgeable about the science of Poison Ivy and from your profile I see you are a scientist. Your information was consistent with the fact sheet provided by the treatment Zanfel, which work wonders for me the one and only time I have had Poison Ivy during my 50+ years. I was wondering if you have looked into any of the over the counter treatments and had a preference. Zanfel worked well but at $30 an ounce I would like to stock something else if it will work equally as well when my second case of Poison Ivy comes along.

MarkV
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #47  
Alegra or even an OTC benadryl completely prevent any reaction for me.. however.. even without them.. it takes about 8 hours of full contact to even get a few isolated red spots on me... guess I'm lucky..

Soundguy
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #48  
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Good information kofronj. I'd like to add that getting the oils off quickly is important and mineral spirits can aid that. Rinse off the mineral spirits after using with COLD water as warm water will tend to open the pores and can allow more oil into the pores. According to medical science, upwards of 90% of people are allergic to urushiol (japanese for laquer) oil, but it's a matter of time and exposure. The more times you're exposed, the more likely you are to develop a reaction. Avoiding forest fires or any fire where poison ivy can be burning is a good idea as the oil is carried in the smoke and can become systemic. Not everyone reacts the same to the treatments, however, severe cases usually require steroid treatment. Keep in mind that urushiol oil can remain potent on any surface, including dead poison ivy vines, for up to 5 years and usually at least 1 year. Some people may find relief in using Benadryl (diphenhydramine hydrochloride), a decongestant the reduces the histamine response in allergic reations, and coating with Calamine lotion. Any serious infections, as in a lot of body coverage, or systemic, as in inhalation, should be evaluated by a physician as allergic reactions can become fatal. John
 
   / Uh Oh Poison Ivy..... #49  
MarkV. I mentioned earlier that I found that Technu sold at CVS for about $6 does about as good as the Zanfel. It's used the same way. It takes a couple of washes but it does remove the oil the same as Zanfel only a lot easier on the wallet.
 

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