Not in my experience!
Update on RX6010 with low hours motor failure
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Not in my experience!
coobie
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Not mine also.LOL.Sorry to say we live in a society where we have to CODDLE everyone.I guess it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy..God forbid if your state your true thoughts because folks will chastise the H-LL out of you. Just trying to do my part to help the OP..My big boys pants are on on Chastise away..I wish we had a like button here like Facebook does.
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JD can build some mighty fine junk! Maybe other companies that only copy and don't have those stupid Engineers are farther ahead! At the end of the day, I would much rather have a good quality copy of something that works as opposed to some brand new newfangled POS that was designed by an imbicile.
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Let's not forget the OP said, either in this thread or his one other thread to date, (which, BTW is a closed but still readable thread), that the freeze plug block heater blew out onto the ground, and that is the piece of metal seen in his pics he shared initially. That leads me to speculate that the engine's valve seats came loose after enough coolant had leaked out from an improper installation of the block heater, the engine having overheated as a result of lack of coolant; THEN the valve(s) seats failed once the head warped. If not exactly that order, something very similar.
Engine's ALWAYS fail for a reason, the OP won't share or doesn't know what the reason is, or just prefers to be a 'brand detractor', HIS words, stated early on in the other thread.
About the truest words yet about this tractor and it's owner's situation: "Anyway.... sorry you blew up the engine." From quote above, color added for highlighting.
And let's not forget, the OP 'says' that Kioti Corp turned him down on any past warranty compensation.
Yet he never said a word about why!?
IF the OP had a arguable case I'd like to hear details from Kioti's Corp people, AND the OP's detailed rebuttal/plea to them.
Crickets I'm sure, from the OP going forward......
Invitation sent numerous times - no shares so far in way too many pages of wanting to help crack this 'case'. So far 19 pages, 185 posts.
With nothing else to go on I conclude OP error, NOT fault of Kioti Corp or their parent company, Daedong, S. Korea.
BTW, for those who missed Coobie's mildly subtle hint about going to Deere or other manufacturers, I believe his intent is that one will NOT find them throwing 'free' engines around just because one has low hours and something breaks off/past warranty. Just like Kioti, remote possibility on a case by case example, IF it seems like a mfg. defect, not a blown out block heater causing engine failure, for instance.
And to the recent poster who asked if the OP would mind sharing repair costs - I wish you luck in digging out any kind of response from the OP on anything related to his blown motor.
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Yes sir you got the hint..
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Very eloquently said and my feelings exactly! In his mind it was Kioti's fault and not his because of the low hours no matter what the abuse, wrong operation etc. The whole thing didn't make sense from any business point of view.
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I figure the guy paid his dues when he bought and paid for the tractor. After that, he is entitled to what ever opinion he wants to share here, whether the Kool-Aid drinking cry babies like it or not... lol
It's absolutely ludicrous to think it just couldn't happen to "your brand"!!
He feels the way he feels, and if he doesn't want to share more, I'm fine with that. Just like I can believe him or not, that's MY privilege...
I feel bad for him either way, I know I'd not be too happy if it was MY tractor, that took a dump with so few hours on it! I'd probably be here crying more than he did! lol
SR
It's absolutely ludicrous to think it just couldn't happen to "your brand"!!
He feels the way he feels, and if he doesn't want to share more, I'm fine with that. Just like I can believe him or not, that's MY privilege...
I feel bad for him either way, I know I'd not be too happy if it was MY tractor, that took a dump with so few hours on it! I'd probably be here crying more than he did! lol
SR
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Op said two valve seats or press in guides dropped out possible if they are press fit inserts and were undersized.?
To blow the temp sender out and (apparently in 2 pieces) imo catastrophic failure such as the connecting rod breaking and attempting to exit the block would do it...
Without close up pictures This Is All Guessing of Course.
I do remember the thread on a 400 hour Kioti where the piston had a defect and shattered the skirt ,
Luckily the block was not destroyed- because the connecting rod was still intact and connected to enough of remains of the piston (that did not rock excessively)....
If it had, or the piston failed in a slightly different way- I could see the reported failure in this thread as a possible outcome.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...g/342127-ck35-hst-shattered-piston-400-a.html
Now imagine a scenario where a similar piston breaks but this time lets some of the crown break loose to ride on top of what is left of the piston top - OR piston crown rotates on the pin that is still connected to the rod...
since the OP said the head cracked it would seem possible that the above thread could conceivably lead to the failure OP posted
IF the piston failed in such a way as to lose a piece or impact between intake and exhaust valves/seats and or guide damage
The aluminum piece compresses until something gives...
head cracks between seats releasing the press in inserts
on next stroke their is even less space since the seats are now broken loose
And in the way because on the exhaust stroke the seat is no longer aligned when the cam opened the valve so the valve is stuck open because the seat is hung up on the edge of the seat cut out or the guide is distorted valve stem bent and holding the valve open
either way it is now hung open
part of the piston Top is still connected to the rod trying to compress what is now stacked up parts of seats/valve head/ broken piston top.
So this time the Rod decides to break... about 1/2 the way to the piston pin or it snapped on the 1st Big hit
and on the next stroke coming back up catches the cast iron lip surrounding the cylinder bore of the block casting being flung out by centrifugal force.
this time breaking through the cylinder wall and ejecting the block heater in the process .
It is pretty much all over at this point - rod broken, piston shattered, block destroyed, head cracked and seat inserts no longer in the head and mangled along with a couple valve faces ... But in this case root cause being a faulty piston casting
Pictures of the carnage would have cleared up a lot of questions I think.
The above scenario - (All completely wrong if the piston and rod is still intact)
Sorry not trying to stir the pot just thinking about plausible ways this failure could have happened that did not include the owner doing anything wrong.
I also can't help but think of the recent thread of a Kubota? with low hours that appeared to have eaten a staple and all the piston/ head damage it caused , that was no fault of the buyer.
to the OP glad to hear it is repaired but bummer it was such a catastrophic and expensive repair.
To blow the temp sender out and (apparently in 2 pieces) imo catastrophic failure such as the connecting rod breaking and attempting to exit the block would do it...
Without close up pictures This Is All Guessing of Course.
I do remember the thread on a 400 hour Kioti where the piston had a defect and shattered the skirt ,
Luckily the block was not destroyed- because the connecting rod was still intact and connected to enough of remains of the piston (that did not rock excessively)....
If it had, or the piston failed in a slightly different way- I could see the reported failure in this thread as a possible outcome.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...g/342127-ck35-hst-shattered-piston-400-a.html
Now imagine a scenario where a similar piston breaks but this time lets some of the crown break loose to ride on top of what is left of the piston top - OR piston crown rotates on the pin that is still connected to the rod...
since the OP said the head cracked it would seem possible that the above thread could conceivably lead to the failure OP posted
IF the piston failed in such a way as to lose a piece or impact between intake and exhaust valves/seats and or guide damage
The aluminum piece compresses until something gives...
head cracks between seats releasing the press in inserts
on next stroke their is even less space since the seats are now broken loose
And in the way because on the exhaust stroke the seat is no longer aligned when the cam opened the valve so the valve is stuck open because the seat is hung up on the edge of the seat cut out or the guide is distorted valve stem bent and holding the valve open
either way it is now hung open
part of the piston Top is still connected to the rod trying to compress what is now stacked up parts of seats/valve head/ broken piston top.
So this time the Rod decides to break... about 1/2 the way to the piston pin or it snapped on the 1st Big hit
and on the next stroke coming back up catches the cast iron lip surrounding the cylinder bore of the block casting being flung out by centrifugal force.
this time breaking through the cylinder wall and ejecting the block heater in the process .
It is pretty much all over at this point - rod broken, piston shattered, block destroyed, head cracked and seat inserts no longer in the head and mangled along with a couple valve faces ... But in this case root cause being a faulty piston casting
Pictures of the carnage would have cleared up a lot of questions I think.
The above scenario - (All completely wrong if the piston and rod is still intact)
Sorry not trying to stir the pot just thinking about plausible ways this failure could have happened that did not include the owner doing anything wrong.
I also can't help but think of the recent thread of a Kubota? with low hours that appeared to have eaten a staple and all the piston/ head damage it caused , that was no fault of the buyer.
to the OP glad to hear it is repaired but bummer it was such a catastrophic and expensive repair.
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There can be all kinds of possibilities for the failure, but I don't think that Kioti is out to get a customer. The OP had bought several tractors (Kiotis?) from this dealer and therefore was a valuable customer, and Kioti is not a fly-by-night operator, one would think that it would be in their interest to investigate & correct the failure if their fault so as not to repeat it in future units, any business would do the same. Kioti investigated and rejected the claim as they deemed it to be operator's fault. What I find hard to understand is the dealer. Why hasn't the dealer advocated better for the its customer? Why hasn't the dealer come to a compromise whereby they'd wave/reduce the labour after all this customer bought several units from him. The only thing I can infer from all this is that even the dealer probably thought it was operator's error and wasn't willing to stick his neck out more than so far. Alas we will never know the reason, the OP never gave us any real info nor facts so that we could be of help only his thoughts & opinion. He went into a rant and wanted others to side with him. Empathy was with him facts were not.
