Loader URGENT - Has the KL1590 loader problems been solved?

[Donegal_TDI]

URGENT - Have the KL1595 loader problems been solved?

Hello all, need a quick reply to this.

I have been looking for a small to mid size Kioti with FEL to feed cattle during the winter.
Have come across this......

LYONS & BURTON LTD. - John Deere dealer The Mount Clane Road, Kilcock, Co. Kildare, Ireland | Used equipment

On checking posts here, no problem with tractor,
but horror stories about KL1595 abound with lack of front bucket roll back, and front cylinders breaking.
Could you have a look at the pictures on the above site and see is this the loader with the issues, or as this is a 2008 model, does this mean the issues have been resolved as most of those initially started to appear in 2005.

Would I be better to go with a new EX50 and a KL150 loader bought direct from a Kioti dealer with a full warranty rather than take a chance on this second hand unit????
I really like the tractor though, very low hours and mint.
The loader would need to be capable of regularly carrying a 1/2 tonne load at the front,
as one of these things would be on the front..........

McHale Blockcutters or Shear grabs

.....the smaller one for cutting blocks of silage.
There would be a lot of pushing force required to shove this sheargrab into a compacted pit of silage.
There would be a counter weight on the rear.
How durable would the loader be?

Like I said, I need a quick response on this.
Thanks.

 

[IslandTractor]

I don't think there was ever a problem with the KL1595. As I recall it was the early KL1590 that had the rollback issues etc.

Looks like a nice essentially brand new tractor. The issues you need to think about are what longer warranty and zero percent interest are worth to you. I don't know what the DK55C sells for new but I'd think with less warranty remaining and especially with no zero% interest that you should be getting something like a 25-30% discount off list at least. That zero percent loan is worth about $3500-4000 by itself. Normal discount on a new tractor is in the 10-15% range so you can consider those numbers compared to a new tractor.

I cannot imagine any issue running that hay grapple device with a tractor this size.

 

[Donegal_TDI]

The "hay grapple device" is called a shear grab with a very shap serrated blade on 3 sides. Here in Ireland we make mostly silage with our grass for winter feed as it rarely stays dry enough to make good hay. Essentially the grass is harvested, put in a big pit, compacted and sealed with a pvc cover and left to ferment. The resulting feed is a heavy damp product which cattle love, however you need a sheargrab to cut it from the clamp into managable blocks to feed to the stock. The grab I have at the moment cuts a 1/2 tonne block, but the grab for the Kioti will be a bit smaller than this.

 

[IslandTractor]

I did not realize you were in Ireland as I didn't catch the reference in your screen name or links. The pricing and interest rate information I posted may not be relevant as those reflect US market conditions. By the way, you might be the first TBN member from the Emerald Isle.

I wonder why our dairy farmers use only dry rather than fermented hay. Perhaps fermented hay is the cow's version of a good stout.

 

[Donegal_TDI]

Perhaps fermented hay is the cow's version of a good stout.

Very likely, they do seem more agreeable when in for the winter.:laughing:

As regards the KL1595 loader, I'm more concerned about structural integrity than prices, if Kioti have their issues resolved?

Also the loader in the advert seems to take a hydraulic feed from the rear spool valves for all it's functions rather than dedicated spools under the cab.
Could this be an issue?
I hope to go see the 551c next Monday, it is 150 miles away from me.

Also I have a choice over here of an Ex50 or the Dk551c,
which is more resilient?
An EX50 with HST would be nice for loader work around the yard all winter.
Would HST have overheating issues with light field work, sowing fertiliser and such, pulling about 1 tonne?

Any comments appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[MMagis]

I wonder why our dairy farmers use only dry rather than fermented hay. Perhaps fermented hay is the cow's version of a good stout.

Haylage (fermented hay) is very common in the states. If you ever see big round bales wrapped completely in plastic wrap, looking like big marshmellows, that's haylage. Silage (high moisture corn and corn stalks) is also very common.

 

[IslandTractor]

Haylage (fermented hay) is very common in the states. If you ever see big round bales wrapped completely in plastic wrap, looking like big marshmellows, that's haylage. Silage (high moisture corn and corn stalks) is also very common.

Thanks for the education. Being a city boy I always thought the plastic on big round hay bales was to keep moisture out so the hay would stay dry and not rot. From now on I'll think of them as beer cans for cows.:thumbsup: Now that I know they like their hay fermented I feel a little closer to our bovine cousins and have a bit more respect for them.

 

[Donegal_TDI]

We also do black wrapped bales of silage but only for small producers that don't have a pit, they tend to cost 3 times as much to make.
Now what about the KL1595 loader.
Yay or nay?
People around where I live wouldn't know a Kioti if it fell on their head.

 

[IslandTractor]

Now what about the KL1595 loader.
Yay or nay?

No negatives that I am aware of. Kioti doesn't build their own loaders but their current generation of loaders all seem to be quite good and have relatively stronger performance compared to equivalent size Kubota or JD loaders for example.

 

[Donegal_TDI]

What about driving a loader solely from the rear spools?
Would this not mean slower cycle times?
Like I said I should get a chance to check this next week.
Thanks.

 

[IslandTractor]

What about driving a loader solely from the rear spools?
Would this not mean slower cycle times?
Like I said I should get a chance to check this next week.
Thanks.

I'm not familiar with that setup. Mine is not set up that way. The Kioti website lists cycle times for each loader but the KL1495 is not listed with the DK55 on the US website. They use the KL551 loader. I just noticed this myself as they certainly used to have the older KL1490 listed but it is not offered on the website here anymore. I don't know if there is a European Kioti website that might have those cycle time numbers for you. The comparable figures for the KL551 are raise 5.5sec, lower 5sec curl 2sec, dump 3sec.

 

[BTI]

KL1590 was meant for the DK45
KL1595 was an upgraded 1590 for the DK55
The KL551 is a little nicer loader.....well the mounting is a little beefier.

The 4 digit loader is made by KMW in the US and the 3 digit ones (on DS's and DK's) are made by a Korean company.


BTI

 

[JoelD]

Not sure why they'd be splicing into the rear hydraulics, I'm assuming the three point?

There should be a hydraulic block, as you said, near the motor and pump, where hydraulics would splice off.

Will be interested to see what you see.

Joel

 

[frenchie4x4]

Donegal, Go look at the Kioti I think you will be impressed with it. Although its only has half the hp of your Same 100.4 (nice!). I have a DK50C with the KL1590 loader. Had it 6yrs and 700+ hrs and still looks and works like new. It lifts anything I try and if its to heavy it will lift the back tires and backhoe off the ground. Mine is a 2001 model USA made at Kansas machine works. the picture you have are different (European ?). The USA models had the rollback issues.
Kioti offerd an upgrade kit #1590-2035 it fit the 1590 and 1595 and included a quick attach or weld on bucket kit for around $1100. it came with new cylinders and linkage. Most of the rollback was in the new angle of the pin holes on the quick attach. The 1590 and 1595 were the same loader only differance was where they attached to the tractor.
I just love mine it is very strong. Originaly I modified mine for more rollback then in 2007 I purchased the upgrade kit (the one you are looking at is different and you wont need an upgrade). In the later years 05-07 they came from the factory with this upgrade and were labeled as 1590s and 1595s. Do a Google image search under Kioti KL1595s and you should see results.
I have done a lot of research on Kioti and these loaders I stop and study every one I see. They are very stout and strong loaders. All Kiotis I have seen use a center mounted remote for hydraulics not the rear. I also use a Weareduction grapple on mine and it works great. I hope this helps keep us posted and get pictures when you look at the tractor
Frenchie
Here are some pictures of my 1590 loader.

 

[Coyote machine]

I believe the loader you are looking at on the picture you linked to shows the self-leveling type of loader- noted by the top arms above the loader arms. This is a good feature and that is a very strong tractor and loader. A friend of mine just bought a used one and shipped it half way across the states sight unseen, after working with my DK-35- he was so impressed with the Kioti's features and strength. That tractor is a BUY rating in my opinion! Good Luck- Maybe someday I'll get back to the Emerald Isle. Been there three times over the last 58 years!:thumbsup:

 

[Donegal_TDI]

See..........

DK551C and KL1595 update - TractorByNet.com]DK551C and KL1595 update - TractorByNet.com