Buying Advice Used JD 110 vs everything else

[DavesTractor]

You're all wrong about trailer weight and CDL's.

Rock, make sure you understand we are speaking about California rules. I am a commercial driver and have some experience with CA CDL rules. We have bumper pull trailers at 10k and under, and we have goosenecks at over 10k GVWR, both of which we pull with pickups. We also have a Freightliner for the bigger stuff. As such, we became familiar with the rules.

I know that many states differ. In CA, with a few exceptions for horse trailers and RV's, if the trailer has a GVWR over 10k lbs...even if pulled empty, you must have a CDL. Even the guy with a 14k GVWR dump trailer used for non-commercial purposes must have a CDL.

Educate me if I am all wrong.

 

[moparrob]

Rock, make sure you understand we are speaking about California rules. I am a commercial driver and have some experience with CA CDL rules. We have bumper pull trailers at 10k and under, and we have goosenecks at over 10k GVWR, both of which we pull with pickups. We also have a Freightliner for the bigger stuff. As such, we became familiar with the rules.

I know that many states differ. In CA, with a few exceptions for horse trailers and RV's, if the trailer has a GVWR over 10k lbs...even if pulled empty, you must have a CDL. Even the guy with a 14k GVWR dump trailer used for non-commercial purposes must have a CDL.

Educate me if I am all wrong.

As a recovering CHP officer, thats my take as well. I dont want something I cant tow myself, and ideally I'd have a dump trailer to tow the tractor in if I could do side jobs.

Does anybody recommend a dump bed trailer that will haul a 110 and stay under 10k lbs?

 

[DavesTractor]

Yanmar CBL40 is a good option, but hard to find.

 

[DavesTractor]

As a recovering CHP officer, thats my take as well. I dont want something I cant tow myself, and ideally I'd have a dump trailer to tow the tractor in if I could do side jobs.

Does anybody recommend a dump bed trailer that will haul a 110 and stay under 10k lbs?

A dump trailer adequate in size and capacity to haul the 110 will weigh 4000 lbs minimum empty. A 14k trailer would be needed. Of course it isn't a big deal to get a CDL, you can take the test with a pickup and a 14k trailer, but will be restricted to non-air brake systems, no doubles, etc. Remember, if it requires a CDL then it is adequate to drive for your test.

 

[AKfish]

Well, you may be able to buy mine from my estate -- unless I convince my grandson it is too useful to part with.

LMAO!! There ya go, Dave! (If you haven't worked behind the wheel on a 110 and then worked on a CUT - I don't care WHICH ONE - you don't get it!)

Here's another point. The hoe on the 110 is pretty similar to the JD 595 backhoe. From what I could see, the swing cylinders, the bucket linkages and the attachment platform is quite abit heavier construction on the 110 hoe.

The 595 hoe is what Deere offers for the 5000 series utility tractors!

Long story short - the 110 is way overbuilt for it's size!

AKfish

 

[Rock knocker]

How does CA get away with that without running afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause?

 

[DavesTractor]

How does CA get away with that without running afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause?

I suspect if you are from a state that is more lenient regarding CDL and were pulled over in CA by a commercial officer, he would not be able to ticket you for driving out of class as long as you are legal where you are licensed. I think that is how they handle it. If you really look into the rules state by state, it is a mess. If I drive into Nevada to deliver a tractor, even with a pickup and bumper pull trailer, I can be fined if I do not ahead of time get a permit and pay for the privilege to drive commercially into NV. And you can't just drive in and go to the nearest DOT or scale, you must get the permit ahead of time.

I generally stay in CA, but a while back needed to go to Boise. Proper permits to go either through Nevada to Idaho or through Oregon to Idaho for this one time trip were cost prohibitive. I just hired the hauling done.

There is a lot I do not know about all these rules, and honestly I liked it better when I knew even less.

 

[ultrarunner]

I have a 12k PJ trailer de-rated to (9,998 lbs) that was sold with my 110 when it was new.

Have not had it on the scale... the seller told me it is right at maximum and if I chained the extra buckets to the trailer it would be over the plated rating...

It's funny in CA... I can pull a 3 axle 20,000 pound boat or drive a 40' RV with a non commercial license...

All the trailer dealers I have spoke with are well aware of the California specials which are de-rated...

 

[AKfish]

A dump trailer adequate in size and capacity to haul the 110 will weigh 4000 lbs minimum empty. A 14k trailer would be needed. Of course it isn't a big deal to get a CDL, you can take the test with a pickup and a 14k trailer, but will be restricted to non-air brake systems, no doubles, etc. Remember, if it requires a CDL then it is adequate to drive for your test.

X2 here. Based on past trips over the scales, I am fairly confident that my 110 will just edge over the 8K mark with a full tank of fuel.

HD bucket with cutting edge, HD 20" quick-attach hoe bucket, hydraulic thumb, stabilizer shields, 3/4 length belly-pan, rear wheel spacers.

It's a "stocky" dude! My trailer is a 20', 14K tandem axle.

AKfish

 

[DavesTractor]

I have a 12k PJ trailer de-rated to (9,998 lbs) that was sold with my 110 when it was new.

Have not had it on the scale... the seller told me it is right at maximum and if I chained the extra buckets to the trailer it would be over the plated rating...

It's funny in CA... I can pull a 3 axle 20,000 pound boat or drive a 40' RV with a non commercial license...

All the trailer dealers I have spoke with are well aware of the California specials which are de-rated...

I'm thinking the legislators in California that make the rules have RV's and boats and did not want to bother getting CDLs. Horse trailers have a higher limit also, same deal I expect. It makes little sense.

On the de-rate, we have a 10k rated trailer with a pair of 7k axles. We bought it new that way specifically, so it is technically not a de-rate, although it could have been rated 14k at the factory. It is just a 10k trailer that has all sorts of safety margin when loaded to 10k. This allows our non-CDL drivers a nice strong trailer. I do not like the idea of being at 10k on a 10k trailer for every day hauling.

I spoke with a commercial officer about it, and he basically said he was ok with it as long as we treated it like a 10k trailer. If we haul heavier on it regularly, he would not be amused. These commercial guys are smart fellows and they know what we are thinking.