Used L3710 or New L3830

   / Used L3710 or New L3830 #11  
</font><font color="blueclass=small">( $5,000 is a lot of cash, might be a good idea to take a closer look at the used model? )</font>

I traded in an L3710 HST on a 5030 HSTC. I liked the 3710 but of course I like the cab better. I never had any trouble with the 3710 and used it in our hay operation as well as for mowing and FEL work. I traded it in and it cost me about $4,000 to run it basically 4 seasons. I would recommend a 3710 Hydro except that the newer Kubota's have a different front axle setup which is a vast improvement over the 3710's axle. The 3710 uses a pittman arm type actuator for steering, while the newer tractors use a ram type actuator. The 3710' actuator was getting sloppy at 400 hrs. I was considering removing it and machining a bronze insert to alleviate the problem. If you go for the 3710, lay under the front of the tractor and have someone turn the steering whell back and forth while observing the cast arm that attaches to the steering pump to see how much movement there is in it. A little movement is acceptable, however, very much movement will equate to wheel shimmy while driving on pavement on hard dirt roads. It's sort of like a bad tie rod end. The cast arm is quite expensive and removal is a pretty involved teardown. Wear on the arm is more when a FEL is used on the tractor as it takes a lot of lateral force to steer the wheels with a load in the loader.

On the subject of taxes, we purchase all of our tractors and implements as ag., so we don't pay tax on purchases. If you want to go that route or if you can for that matter, you'd need an agricultrial exemption certificate.

Daryl
Forage Services, L.P.
 
   / Used L3710 or New L3830 #12  
I can't tell you about the tax laws, but I will heartily agree with several others who responded that the 3830 is a lot more tractor than a 3710. You're getting a brand new tractor with warranty and moving up 4 model years. If you are financing, it is a no brainer to get the new model. Have fun and good luck.
 
   / Used L3710 or New L3830 #13  
I agree Bob. Loader, 3 pt hitch lift and hook up, seat, etc. are all upgrades over the L3710, a great tractor in its own right. The braceless design of the new loaders is an improvement in visibility over the older yet still very good 3710 loader. It actually braces under and to the back rather then to the front which inteferes with engine accessability. The new design is very clean. The big upgrade was adding the same loader that is on the L3830 to the smaller L3430 and 3130. All 3 are very tough to beat. The older L10 series however are still great tractors. As 3050 said, the front axle/steering is also a big improvement. The steering control is great.
 
   / Used L3710 or New L3830 #14  
One thing about it, if you buy the 3710 and the steering is sloppy, remove the cast link, send it to me and I'll put in a bronze insert for you. I own a machine shop and I'll do it a lot cheaper than a new link.

Daryl
Forage Services, L.P.
 
   / Used L3710 or New L3830 #15  
I forgot to throw this in and its kinda after the fact because you already bought the 3710 but--
The 5030 I have has the new style loader on it. It's an LA853. I believe it's the largest capacity loader Kubota offers on this series. I have a problem with it over the loader that comes on the 3710 and that is--
The 3710 had 4 pins to remove and very stable swing down legs for dismounting the loader. It usually took about 2 minutes to dismount and 3 to remount the loader.
The 5030/853 loader has 2 pins and is a LITTLE quicker in both aspects but the stabilizer legs are not adequate for the loader and the loader has to be absolutely level on dismount to get it aligned for a remount. This was not the case on the 3710. I don't have very much concrete available to remove the loader on and I found out the hard way the first time I dismounted the 853 in the dirt. I had to pin the loader on one side, lift it slightly and block the other side to level it before it would slide into the upright. I never had that problem with the 4 pin mount on the 3710. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Daryl
Forage Services, L.P.
 

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Re: Used L3710 or New L3830 - Use tax

Several years ago a friend who lives in Pennsylvania received a big bill from the Pennsylvania department of revenue for use tax and a penalty for late payment. The bill listed his purchases from 47th Street Photo in New York over several years. He checked and the states of Pennsylvania and New York were exchanging mail/phone order sales information. New York had obtained the sales records of all of the big New York mail order companies out of state sales (over some limit) and was providing them to the cooperating states who were doing the same for New York residents purchases.
 

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