Valvoline premium synthetic

[Soundguy]

PS.. here's a web page from someone who documented the issue with his model B. Similar to what I was talking about.

PS.. since 06, napa/wix went BACK to using the paper pleated media again.. ( at one time the napa and wix filters for that # were also a floss design.. and changed to pleated.. that's when we allis owners noticed the drastic drop in oil pressure.. and why we went looking for a real floss media filter.. )

NAPA 1101 OIL FILTER

still a myth eh?

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Explain this statement? i guess i don't under stand your logic then.

sure.. you can replace any oil filter with any other one of the exact same specifications.. my point was that 99% of the cross #'s for those specific filters DO NOT bring you to a filter of the exact specifications.. IE.. it's DIFFICULT to find a CORRECT replacement filter other than buying each cross number and cutting it open or testing it by risking low oil pressure on your sweet and shiney restored old tractor. IE.. most of us just buy what works...

soundguy

 

[daman1]

Never said it was a myth i stated i have not heard about this because obviously it's before my time and that i tried researching it on the web.

thanks for the link that OP is unreal :confused2:

 

[daman1]

my point was that 99% of the cross #'s for those specific filters DO NOT bring you to a filter of the exact specifications.. IE.. it's DIFFICULT to find a CORRECT replacement filter other than buying each cross number and cutting it open or testing it by risking low oil pressure on your sweet and shiney restored old tractor. IE.. most of us just buy what works...

soundguy

In your case of this situation yes i agree it's very application specific.

 

[Soundguy]

Never said it was a myth i stated i have not heard about this because obviously it's before my time and that i tried researching it on the web.

thanks for the link that OP is unreal :confused2:

seems low eh.. don't worry.. quite normal.. but that's why when you get a 'wrong' filter and half of it disappears.. that we specific application owners get a little bent. truly a situation where 'any' cross will not do.. but only crosses made substantially the same way the engine is expecting it to be..

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

In your case of this situation yes i agree it's very application specific.

yep.. I didn't think we were disagreeing, but rather agreeing.. .. it's just real application specific. probably only a literal 'handfull' of models of tractor fall into this category. Other than allis's.. I bet the MH pony does as well.. uses a similar version of the N62 block a Allis G does.. would guess same filter too, as it uses same manifold and things like crank.. etc..

 

[daman1]

So is it safe to say that FRAM is no longer the only application? and that WIX now has a PN that works? according to your link?

 

[Soundguy]

no, unfortunately.. re my previous post with the link:

PS.. since 06, napa/wix went BACK to using the paper pleated media again.. ( at one time the napa and wix filters for that # were also a floss design.. and changed to pleated.. that's when we allis owners noticed the drastic drop in oil pressure.. and why we went looking for a real floss media filter.. )

add to that there is at least one other manufacturer that IS making them.. as Isaid.. order only / bulk order or it's cost prohibitive. as far as Iknow.. as of my last oil change on my allis.. the napa / wix is still not a suitable replacement. for a time in 06 and a lil later on they went back to the floss media for a bit.. but then changed again..

soundguy

 

[daman1]

Ok the article says the Napa gold 7011 works...


"It appears WIX Filter Company has now "seen the light" as far as their "new" design 51101 (also NAPA 1101) filter goes for use on bypass oil lubricating systems as used on vintage Allis Chalmers B tractors (and others). The WIX website now lists the 51101 part number as "not found". The current part number is WIX 57011, which lists this filter as a bypass type and applicable to Allis Chalmers and others. The equivalent NAPA part number is 7011. I asked about that filter at my local NAPA store and was advised that the NAPA 1101 has been "superceded" by the new 7011 and that the Allis Chalmers Model B was the correct application. The NAPA website has not yet been updated to reflect this change. The 7011 filter looks like this:"


"My conclusion:
There is essentially no difference between the new NAPA 7011 and the Fram C-159 filters"

ok but your saying since this article was written they switched back?

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. some time in the last 4 years they must have figured out it was easy to save a nickle somewhere and go back. when that happened I went back to buying fram .. havn't checked back as of last year... no reason to buy a filter to check when the fram works fine... the unfortunate part is that it is such a limited application I don't see filter makers continuing to cater to a realitively small user base. kinda scarry. guess when that happens I will go out and spend a couple hundred bucks and buy a few cases of filters before they are NLA. many of us have talked about doing that 'when the time comes'

soundguy

 

[daman1]

Is this not the filter? currently avalible in WIX? (click pic to enlarge)

 

[Soundguy]

looks like it. Like I said. as of last year I have not tried them back. got tired of throwing away paper pleated filters long ago and went with what I know works. they may, for all I know, have started back to the floss. I know each time they changed, we, as a website and user groups all sent mail and email tot he companies letting them know our issues. worked at least once to get them to switch back. might have worked agian.. I'm not sure. i'm just no longer willing to go on a hunting expedition to spend 5$ to cut a filter open to check how the manufacturer feels this year about the composition of the filter media, since the fram screws on and works fine...

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

heck.. for all I know, as imilar as those look to a c159.. they could be using the same oem fram does now. IE.. same manufacturer ?? honestly can't say.. except that pic looks exacly like a fram....

soundguy

 

[daman1]

Understood it looks like Napa has a PN too obviously.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Chris you should check out Fleetfilter.com for WIX,Napa golds you would get a nice discount if you do that many services and know you'll be using a quality built filter.

I have looked at them. The guy I buy from actually is local, 18 miles away. I just call him up and put in a order. Very easy to work with. Last one I got 100 filters for $155. Picked up 12 for each of my mowers, 16 for my tractor, 12 for Ford F-150/Lincoln Aviator, 12 for my Titan, 6 for my neighbors Dmax, 6 for his Ford Tractor, and the rest were for boats. In that order I also got 8 air filters, 6 fuel filters, and 6 hydraulic filters plus a few other miscellaneous filters.

Just the Ford F-150 air filters were $15 each at Walmart. I had over $80 alone in air filters but got them for about $3 each from him.

Chris

 

[daman1]

heck.. for all I know, as imilar as those look to a c159.. they could be using the same oem fram does now. IE.. same manufacturer ?? honestly can't say.. except that pic looks exacly like a fram....

soundguy

I agree

 

[daman1]

I have looked at them. The guy I buy from actually is local, 18 miles away. I just call him up and put in a order. Very easy to work with. Last one I got 100 filters for $155. Picked up 12 for each of my mowers, 16 for my tractor, 12 for Ford F-150/Lincoln Aviator, 12 for my Titan, 6 for my neighbors Dmax, 6 for his Ford Tractor, and the rest were for boats. In that order I also got 8 air filters, 6 fuel filters, and 6 hydraulic filters plus a few other miscellaneous filters.

Just the Ford F-150 air filters were $15 each at Walmart. I had over $80 alone in air filters but got them for about $3 each from him.

Chris

Thats the way to roll for sure,we do the same here for all the equipment but in Fleetguards and some Donaldson.

 

[Soundguy]

reminds me of buying oil filters for my fords. just about everything from 53 to 75 with a spin on is the same.. at least everything I have is. that's alot of fl1a filters or st8a filters when I walk out of the store!

soundguy

 

[daman1]

Yep there's tons of crosses for them FORD filters too lots of applications took them.

 

[Soundguy]

you said it.

fram ph8a, fl1a motorcraft.. supertech st8a.. dual300 plus all the majo players like napa 1515 or 1452 including a 17XX # I can't remember..r

soundguy