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[daman1]

How about oil filters? What are everyone's Preferences? Oem, wix, Baldwin, other??

Yep all good...

WIX
Baldwin
Fleetguard
Hastings

anything but FRAM!

 

[Soundguy]

i had leak problems with oem filters and switched to napa on most of them. would guess half of those are wix...

soundguy

 

[HiTechTed]

Yep all good...

WIX
Baldwin
Fleetguard
Hastings

anything but FRAM!

What's wrong with Fram filters? Just curious...I'm using OEM and I've never had an opportunity to use any of the above filters. Actually I think I've only seen the fleetguard filters but I can't recall where...

 

[daman1]

What's wrong with Fram filters? Just curious...I'm using OEM and I've never had an opportunity to use any of the above filters. Actually I think I've only seen the fleetguard filters but I can't recall where...

Instead of me typing two pages try a google search,you'll have lots of reading and you can make your own judgment..

 

[Soundguy]

depending on the application, they are the 'preferred' or only acceptable choice.. ask old allis owners!

soundguy

 

[daman1]

depending on the application, they are the 'preferred' or only acceptable choice.. ask old allis owners!

soundguy

Were these canister filters? SG? if not they should easily be able to cross over.

 

[Soundguy]

nope.. not canisters.. a spin on style. and yes.. they cross over just fine.. to a product that doesn't work and roaches your old allis chalmers engine!!! fram still builds some filters using a floss media.. crossing those filters over to wix and napa and baldwin gives you a paper pleated filter element hiding inside the can... then when you start your allis oil pressure drops tot he toilet and if you don't stop her and put the CORRECT fram filter on you can kiss the engine good by!!.

just because another filter screws on.. don't mean it's correct!!!!! has to be built the way the OEM designed it for that application

soundguy

 

[Gale Hawkins]

What's wrong with Fram filters? Just curious...I'm using OEM and I've never had an opportunity to use any of the above filters. Actually I think I've only seen the fleetguard filters but I can't recall where...

Oil Filters | Products | FRAM® Read the different specs and compare the % of stuff the filter can stop. Keep in mine many cars at one point in time shipped without any oil filters. It is easy to become emotional about oil filters. :laughing:

Fram makes different price range of filters and they all seem to work quite well but the Tough Guard will spec out like a Mobile One filter (99%).:thumbsup:

You will find a lot of posts on the web slamming Fram and from the Youtube videos that i have seen often are showing a filter that has not been changed for years/10,000+ miles.

Most Fram slamming comes from emotional reactions to what another may say than from actual personal experience. If 1/2 of 1% of the negative stuff was true they would not be selling millions around the world today.

 

[daman1]

I under stand all that and know all that... but "floss media"??? never heard of it and did a google search on it.

#edit# ..i did a search here and read up the AC thing you mentioned and cant for the life of me under stand why a more restrictive filter would be needed to build proper operating oil pressure but just the contrary, bad engine design, engine wore out? if bearing clearances are right and pump is working i don't see why.


But anyway..any of todays filters are of a cellulose paper design or a Synthetic glass media or glass micro fiber media in the synthetic version filters and WILL NOT hamper oil flow in any way on a modern engine IF crossed to the right PN, that manufacture in question would not want that type of liability and has done intensive testing on that filter. Most any filter today will have flow,thread design and bypass specs so you can compare them to your OEM.

i'm not arguing with you just trying to under stand your floss media comment,it's hard to believe FRAM would be the only maker of filter for that application.

i cross filters all the time at work with out issues and this is on 1/4 million dollar pieces of equipment.

matter of fact CAT sent us a memo that we had a superseded one of the hyd filters on our one unit and told us the appropriate number to do so.

so yes any filter that will screw on with matching specs will work.

 

[daman1]

Fram makes different price range of filters and they all seem to work quite well but the Tough Guard will spec out like a Mobile One filter (99%).:thumbsup:

Well no technically not according to the ISO 4548-12 for particle test FRAMs best designed filter the Extended Guard or next the Tough Guard is 97-99% @ 20 microns. and that's ONLY on equivalent PN's PH8A, 3387A and 6607

The Mobil is 99.2% @20 percent efficiency rating (under SAE J1858 Multi-Pass Efficiency Test), across the board all PN's so splitting hairs i know but just saying..

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Well no technically not according to the ISO 4548-12 for particle test FRAMs best designed filter the Extended Guard or next the Tough Guard is 97-99% @ 20 microns. and that's ONLY on equivalent PN's PH8A, 3387A and 6607

The Mobil is 99.2% @20 percent efficiency rating (under SAE J1858 Multi-Pass Efficiency Test), across the board all PN's so splitting hairs i know but just saying..

Oil Filters | Products | FRAM®

daman1 maybe you should reread the Fram site info.

Tough Guard is is their top filtering filter (99%) and not Xtended Guard(97%) which traps less particles so it can be ran for 10,000 miles before replacing.

I use a lot of WIX filters because they are handy to purchase and are good filters but they are hard to trust sometimes.

On the 429 I was encouraged to go with the 2 qt version of WIX vs the standard 1 qt version.

After doing some crossing on the web I learned the 1 qt trapped 99% >20 microns BUT their 2 qt version only trapped 97%. WIX will make filters that cross over to other brands in a PHYSICAL sense but not MEDIA sense.

So far I have found no evidence that a $13 K&N oil filter will make an engine last any longer than a $6 Fram Tough Guard.:thumbsup:

People should use the filter they prefer however 99.9% have NO idea what brand of filter or who made it that is parked in their driveway.

 

[eastexan]

Fram does make a high quality filter that stands above the rest of their line, and it's the Xtended Guard. Even Fram haters have admitted that it's a quality filter, and wouldn't hesitate to use it themselves.

It's a little too expensive for my tastes, though, since I change my oil at 3k-5k miles.

I usually buy the Wix filters for my car & tractor and Motorcraft for my F-150.
Wix can be bought at many auto parts stores. I get mine at O'Reillys.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Fram does make a high quality filter that stands above the rest of their line, and it's the Extended Guard. Even Fram haters have admitted that it's a quality filter, and wouldn't hesitate to use it themselves.

It's a little too expensive for my tastes, though, since I change my oil at 3k-5k miles.

I usually buy the Wix filters for my car & tractor and Motorcraft for my F-150.
Wix can be bought at many auto parts stores. I get mine at O'Reillys.

Same here on O'Reilly's. I agree the Xtend Guard is a physically stronger filter of all Fram's line up. It just will not filter and hold as small of particles as the Tough Guard but is rated for 10K mile of use unlike the Tough Guard.

Since it is near 50 today I may use my new filter cutter to look at a bunch of used ones I have been saving after I get the dump truck full of gas and all my empty containers because ice is possible this next week.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I do about 75 oil changes a year and have been doing so since 1989. I have been buying my filters on line 100 or so at a time. I have used Fram, Pennzoil, and Quaker State Filters exclusively for the last 15 or more years. Just got 100 air, oil, fuel, and hydraulic filters for $155 to my door. Prior to that I used other brands. The only engine issue I have had in all that time is a 4.3L V6 in a S-10 Blazzer throw a rod in 1989. It was a failed oil pump, not a filter issue.

Just my $.02

Chris

 

[daman1]

daman1 maybe you should reread the Fram site info.

Tough Guard is is their top filtering filter (99%)

I know that i meant in construction,it's a better built filter.

 

[daman1]

I do about 75 oil changes a year and have been doing so since 1989. I have been buying my filters on line 100 or so at a time.

Chris you should check out Fleetfilter.com for WIX,Napa golds you would get a nice discount if you do that many services and know you'll be using a quality built filter.

 

[Soundguy]

#edit# ..i did a search here and read up the AC thing you mentioned and cant for the life of me under stand why a more restrictive filter would be needed to build proper operating oil pressure but just the contrary, bad engine design, engine wore out? if bearing clearances are right and pump is working i don't see why.


But anyway..any of todays filters are of a cellulose paper design or a Synthetic glass media or glass micro fiber media in the synthetic version filters and WILL NOT hamper oil flow in any way on a modern engine IF crossed to the right PN, that manufacture in question would not want that type of liability and has done intensive testing on that filter. Most any filter today will have flow,thread design and bypass specs so you can compare them to your OEM.

i'm not arguing with you just trying to under stand your floss media comment,it's hard to believe FRAM would be the only maker of filter for that application.

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owning an allis I can tell you it's a wide topic of discussion. on the allis board at the 'unofficial' allis site, any time someone come son with a low oil pressure issue we ask them if they just changed oil and filter. 99% of the time they did and used a non floss filter..

It's not an uncommon problem if you are the owner of a few specific models of tractor.

last I heard there is a distribuitor making a 'like kind' filter that will work.. but is special and quantity order.. vs just getting the fram filter which is available.

so yes any filter that will screw on with matching specs will work

kind of like saying any stainless steel bolt of the correct size and thread pitch can be used to replace this stainless steel bolt .. of 'certain' size and pitch.

that's my point.. it's dern hard to find a filter made the same, thus an appropriate match...

soundguy

 

[daman1]

owning an allis I can tell you it's a wide topic of discussion. on the allis board at the 'unofficial' allis site, any time someone come son with a low oil pressure issue we ask them if they just changed oil and filter. 99% of the time they did and used a non floss filter..

It's not an uncommon problem if you are the owner of a few specific models of tractor.

last I heard there is a distribuitor making a 'like kind' filter that will work.. but is special and quantity order.. vs just getting the fram filter which is available.



kind of like saying any stainless steel bolt of the correct size and thread pitch can be used to replace this stainless steel bolt .. of 'certain' size and pitch.

that's my point.. it's dern hard to find a filter made the same, thus an appropriate match...

soundguy

Like i said i googled it and didn't find much on the web about this filter design, tho this tractor is waay before my time working with this type situations and maintaining high dollar equipment is not so we agree to disagree.

 

[Soundguy]

Did we disagree? I made a very specific statement that said that any filter that crosses is not automatically the correct filter for CERTAIN applications.. IE.. some very specific 40's era tractors.

I didn't see where you came up with anything to contradict that.. or even found any meaningfull research on floss media. I limited the scope of my comment to a very specific application.. not a broad one... past that I don't disagree that a 51010 wix won't fit fine in the place of a napa 1010....

You sure we are disagreeing?

soundguy

 

[daman1]

kind of like saying any stainless steel bolt of the correct size and thread pitch can be used to replace this stainless steel bolt .. of 'certain' size and pitch.

Explain this statement? i guess i don't under stand your logic then.