Varmit Rifle

   / Varmit Rifle #51  
Nice gun Bird, my first shotgun was a H&R Topper Jr. in 20 gauge.

As and FYI, New England Firearms (NEF) bought Harrington and Richardson (H&R) a few years back and subsequently H&R became H&R 1871, perhaps a reference to the founding date of the NRA. It is my understanding that very recently, Marlin purchased both NEF and H&R 1871.

Perhaps someone else can expound on recent events.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #52  
I didn't know that, John. The best I can remember, I 've only seen one New England Firearms gun, pretty recently, too. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif When I bought that place in the country, the prior owner went off and left a New England Firearms 12 gauge break open single shot shotgun standing behind a door; even had a round in the chamber. Knowing the reputation of the guy I bought the place from, I did run the serial number to make sure it wasn't stolen. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif And of course I never saw him again, so I sold that gun last year, too. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Varmit Rifle #53  
Re: Varmint Rifle

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I will agree with that comment. Too many abbreviations, alterations, and customizing to really figure out what might be a good starter gun. Heck, with all those different ways to customize things, you'd think they were talking about MChalkey's Kubota. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Varmit Rifle #54  
Re: Varmint Rifle

Lots of good advice on this one. I think elmer Keith would surely have reccomended a Pre-'64 Model 92 Winchester that had been reworked to 44 Mag. But then Jack O'Conner would have suggested a .270 . I use the Marlin '94 for hunting because I dont care if I beat it up, Plus its one of the few products still made in the good old US of A /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif The quality is much higher the last few years and the price is tough to beat. Now the best choice for the Topic on my list would be a .308 ( even Weatherby offers a Custom Varmiter in that caliber ) . It seems most of the others either fail as a Hog gun or a Varmiter. Two really different animals. Hogs need that big powerfull short range monster chunk o lead while a Varmiter needs to be really quick to reach out and touch some thing. I like the 22-250 for a Varmiter, especially the SS/Laminated Ruger #1. I am a Die Hard Winchester (pre '64 only ) fan. If you really like a challenge the Model '94 chambered in 25-35 is fast and accurate while the 38-55 ( getting popular again) is a 30-30 or 32 WS on steroids /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Dave
 
   / Varmit Rifle #55  
Boy, advice is all over the map. Post states that you want to "reach out and touch" them (varmints) sometimes, so on occasion fair distances are involved, I presume. So, forget pistols and shotguns. You also want something compact. You may not know it, but you also want something for which you can easily (Walmart) get cartridges. I flew into Dallas last fall, and headed for a small town at 175 miles away where a friend had a ranch (and large deer). I, being brainless, didn't stop until a modest-sized town, with a small Walmart and similar stores, within 30 miles of my destination. Available - .243, .270, 30-30, 30-06 and 7mm. For your purposes, a .243 fits (tragectory, bullet weight). That said, "compact" is a bit tough. My son has a "youth" Remington Model 7, which looks like a toy but with which he nailed a bunch of deer during his early teens (now has .308). I've a Mini-30, for what reason I have no clue & I rarely fire the gun, but the trajectory is about the same as a 30-30 (over 150 yards, you're basically lobbing the bullets). A Mini-14, AR-15 and the like (.223) are certainly alternatives, but they're not much on distance either, and impact of the small bullets at longer distances isn't much good for anything but very thin skinned & fragile animals (e.g., humans, which is what the guns and caliber were, unfortunately, designed for). That said, if you plan to throw the rifle in your pickup bed or otherwise treat it rough, forget scopes, and settle for a iron sighted 30-30, Mini-14 or similar. Yup, the 25-06, .264, 6mm, 7-08 and so on are great, but are commonly used with scopes due to their distance capabilities --- and try finding cartridges at 9pm in any small town in the US. As to the 336 and so on calibers - it ain't moose you're after. My favorite rifle is a 7mm - shoots flat and long, but you have no need for such on hogs & coyotes - overkill.
Good luck, and good hunting.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #56  
Are you talking 7mm or 7 mm Rem Mag ? Most of the stores here dont cary the 7mm or 8mm any more, even the 7mm-08 can be a tough find. Personally I think a scope is mandatory for any distance over 100 yards or most folks are just tossing lead. A case is required by law in a vehicle here. I have used soft side cases in the back of the truck and in Brush planes for years, never any problems. When we consider cost of a gun or the ability to find a used one at a great price and get cartridges readilly I think the 30-06 is a great choice, many bullet choices for pigs or varmits, premium cartridges readily available, inexpensive and one of the most popular calibers ever. Although the .308 is easy to get as well and technically more accurate as a short action cartridge. The new .270 WSM would be a fine choice as well. I am a fan of the .270 class. The .223 seeems too small to me and it is certainly a interesting point that it was a cartridge that was never deseigned to kill but too wound. Battlefield reality is that it takes 2 men to move every wounded and noise and confusion can be used to a benefit. That is the design basis of that cartridge. But then the NATO calibers can be had, any time, any place and there is something to be said for that. The little Rugers I had were fun but I did not find them very usefull. Dave
 
   / Varmit Rifle #57  
Re: Varmint Rifle

There is so much variety out there, it is really hard to pinpoint anything in particular.

If I was in that particular situation, I would get a rifle similar to what I use here and there... A Savage model-99 lever action in .243(a flat shooter with energy for deer size critters) or .308. Both are accurate, reasonably flat shooters. .308 is used a lot in match shooting, so a proper load selection could reach out a bit aqnd touch something. While at it, I would scope it with a smaller low power scope, like a 3x, or a 1.5-4x compact scope. While it may be lower power, a 3 or 4x scope is fine for a rifle made to work in the 150 yard range. It will work great at shorter range, but still be ok at longer ranges. It would carry well, handle quickly, and be easy to throw in the truck or on the ATV. The Savage has taken a back seat to the venerable '94 Winchester, but is a stronger action and uses flatter shooting pointy bullets.

If not the Savage-99, then a Browning BLR in similar calibre would be a good choice.

Remington and Ruger make the mdl-7 an m77, respectively, as a short, light, fast handling bolt action. Either, in .243 or .308 with a scope as mentioned above would make a great carry rifle.

Much like compact tractors, these rifles are pretty much equal, although red vs green vs orange is the same. Lots of brand loyalty...

For cartidges, these two work well, work in a short action, and have mild recoil. There are many other fine examples of comparable sized and power cartridges that would be equal; again there is an amazing selection out there.

In my case, I use the .300 Savage in thier mdl-99. It is the precursor to the .308 Nato cartridge.

So there we have it. A great brush/carry rifle. Or, selection thereof /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
   / Varmit Rifle #59  
After I learned mor eabout it, I wish I would have gotten my Rem 700V in 7mm-08 instead of 308. Still works mighty fine, but if I did it over I would get the 7mm-08.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #60  
Honestly I have never had a 7mm-08. But it is surely a fine caliber. Light recoil, flat shooting etc. I prefer the .270 over the others for no particular reason at all. It probably has to do with setting up in the dark reading those Jack O'Connor editorials at deer camp when I was a kid. If I were after a new one the .270 WSM would be at the top of my list. But theres not a poor choice in the bunch really. I just still see a pig gun and a Varmit gun totally different animals. Its like trying to play golf with one club. Of course I guess when I think Varmits I'm thinking long range prarie dogs etc where a flat shooting fast bullet is needed. If price were not a factor I would be thinking a .257 weatherby in this case. Fast, Flat and plunty of punch. Any of the fast flat cartridges start to get very innefective in the brush real quick though, and to me thats big pig country. I have used a .270 Weatherby for years and just started with the 44 mag for brush. The light little Marlin '94 with a fixed 4X Nikon is so light and quick I really like it. Premium bullets thaty are NOT HP are very pricy. $60 per 50, but its not a plinking gun so 1 box will last a lot of years. Dave
 

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