VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean?

   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #351  
I'd like to see the NOx figures for gasoline emissions vs. diesel emissions from crude through to being burned in a car. I'll bet diesel still requires a lot less refining than gasoline and therefore a whole lot less emissions. Certainly, the COx emissions from diesels are a whole lot less.

Ralph
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #352  
Insults...

And whenever someone disagrees with you, you hurl insults. Not surprising.

A civil exchange is not possible with you.

Time to leave.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #353  
OK, this thread is already way beyond sensible record-setting lengths but I'll still offer these comments:
1) We have a 2013 Beetle TDI 6 speed stick that runs like a 1960's V8, gets 40 some MPG most of the time, drives like a fun buggy and is simply a great little vehicle in all regards.
2) The EPA is the most out of control, oppressive and holier than thou department in an otherwise lousy XXXXXL government. To whom do they justify their arbitrary "standards" ? NO ONE !!!
3) Anyone who makes the EPA look like the bunch of fools that they are should be given a medal. Kudos to VW even if it ruins their business for a while.
4) Think about it: How many TDI owners with cars that have outstanding performance and yet get high MPG are going to run right in and have them degraded in some recall? Duh !
5) I predict that the TDI recall will be the worst attended in the history of automotive recalls.
6) I also predict that low mileage TDI vehicles are going to skyrocket in value on the used car market for the next several years. Investors: Buy now! Buy now !

Guess it kinda of would depend on where the car is registered... California has publicly said non-renewal is an option.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #354  
Surprising that an EPA supporter exists. The most out of control agency in government.
You've recovered. I thought you lost your tongue and resorted to silly cartoons. Now be a good boy and respond to the earlier post. Use data or history if you are capable. Rants don't count in debate.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #355  
This was posted in the TDI forums:

Hey fellas! So we have a 2009 Sportwagen TDI "clean diesel" with the DPF - diesel particulate filter. The car NEVER smokes, even under hard acceleration, and we love it! Over 14K miles since we bought it in September!
I know that the Benz's and new Toureg/Q7 TDI motors will be using a Urea injection system.
From wikipedia:
"The solution is injected into the exhaust system and releases ammonia. This reacts with the nitrogen oxide emissions and is converted into nitrogen and water within the catalytic converter."
So I was thinking I could try to incorporate a similar system in our new Sportwagen to make our car run even cleaner. However, rather than mess with the separate tank to hold the Urea mixture and all the fancy computer controlled metering system, I had an even better idea. From the same wiki article: "Urea is, in essence, a [human] waste product. It is found in and extracted from urine."
This was easier than I expected, and I was able to kill 2 birds with 1 stone! I rigged up a small funnel and some tubing that runs down next to the gearshift, through a small hole in the floorpan, and through a 1-way valve into the exhaust pipe. This is very important- the valve has to be upstream of the catalytic converter or it won't work.
On long road trips where a bathroom can't be found, I can either collect my urine in a jar and pour it into the funnel, or with some creative yoga inspired stretching, I can pee straight into the funnel. My wife, of course, has to use a bedpan.
Here is a shot of the underside of our car- you can see the exhaust valve that opens and closes to adjust the backpressure of the whole exhaust system. The O2 sensor is just upstream of that, and there is a catalytic converter just upstream of the sensor. (see the 2nd picture)


In the 2nd picture, the heat wrap obscures the opening for the one-way Urea valve.
I really can't tell if the exhaust is any cleaner, but I'm hoping that when we take it for the yearly emissions check that they will allow me to introduce some urea into the exhaust stream as they "sniff" the tailpipe. Once I have conclusive proof of cleaner exhaust, I may consider perfecting and marketing a kit. For example, when I pour the urea into the funnel and it hits the exhaust pipe, it makes a loud hiss and some steam comes back into the car. It's not so much the odor is a problem, but the steam fogs up our panoramic sunroof. I'm sure a small sponge wedged in the tube (or another one-way valve) will help alleviate this minor problem.
Another upgrade could be a bedpan with a drain that leads out the back and through the seat, down through the floor. Something that would make my wife more comfortable, and also enable us to remain seated and belted while doing a number 1.

Ralph
 

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   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #356  
Is the concern engine durability or emission system durability. If the latter it seems they could just extend the relevant warranty.

In Canada, the OEM's have convinced the govt that they can not afford extended warranties on emission systems. About 2 years back I was helping my buddy with a customer's Merc Bluetec - I was rather startled to find out that MB Canada only had to warranty the emission system for 40k km (abt. 25k miles).

Rgds, D.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #357  
Quick question....other than me....how many of you actually own one of the VW TDI vehicles in question?

I haven't read through the entire thread yet but wanted to answer this - as I have a Cruze Diesel that I absolutely LOVE. just over 17K miles (since beginning of March) with a true (hand calculated) 42.7 mpg at an average speed of 41.1 mph. Power is phenomenal when I need/want it. I really hope VW hasn't screwed this up permanently.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #358  
Thought it strange that the VW 2.0 liter engines (maybe the Curze's; not sure) are the only ones in the US not using Urea injection. Could be the fix (more expensive than detuning or enrichment) but more expensive. Would require about a 5 gallon container in the trunk and a very tiny pump attuned to engine rpm and injection line to the cat converter. Wouldn't be much when new but very expensive fix to retro.

Ralph
The Cruze does use DEF - so no spare tire - not even a compact one. I drive many miles so got a full size spare but it does eat trunk space. Amazing performance IMHO and darn good MPG in my book.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #359  
Anyone notice that the diesel Cruze has been dropped for 2016...

Car and Driver says the diesel returns in 2017 with a new 1.6 ltr.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #360  
Car and Driver says the diesel returns in 2017 with a new 1.6 ltr.

Thinking that maybe they were not compliant either with the current motor. Why would they drop it for one year..
 

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