WalMart Shoplifting

   / WalMart Shoplifting #61  
I worked at Wal Mart for 3 years when I was in college. That was from 1987 to 1990. Even then the attitude about shoplifting was amazing. Only assistant managers or the store manager could stop a shoplifter and they had to be past the last cash register. Once I I saw a guy stuff something into his jacket. I tell the assistant manager. He says "I didn't see it happen so I can't do anything." "Look you can see the bulge". His reply was, "Well we don't want to offend anyone". I said "yeah you are right, we want them to shop lift with us again." Every few months the district manager would come by with employees from another store to test our loss prevention abilities. These guys would see how much they could steal before getting caught. The best one was when one of then bought a pack of gum and then picked up the biggest TV he could carry. He put the receipt for the gum between his lips and then walk to the garden center door where an employee held the door open for him. No one is going to take a slobbery receipt out of someones mouth. Their goal was to get the most dollars. Another trick was to get carbide tipped circular saw blades and put them in an ice chest, I mean fill the ice chest up, and when they got to the register they would pull the bar code off of the chest and hand it to the cashier.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #62  
Don't stop now.. I was just starting to make a good list! ;)

soundguy

Tractors4u said:
I worked at Wal Mart for 3 years when I was in college. That was from 1987 to 1990. Even then the attitude about shoplifting was amazing. Only assistant managers or the store manager could stop a shoplifter and they had to be past the last cash register. Once I I saw a guy stuff something into his jacket. I tell the assistant manager. He says "I didn't see it happen so I can't do anything." "Look you can see the bulge". His reply was, "Well we don't want to offend anyone". I said "yeah you are right, we want them to shop lift with us again." Every few months the district manager would come by with employees from another store to test our loss prevention abilities. These guys would see how much they could steal before getting caught. The best one was when one of then bought a pack of gum and then picked up the biggest TV he could carry. He put the receipt for the gum between his lips and then walk to the garden center door where an employee held the door open for him. No one is going to take a slobbery receipt out of someones mouth. Their goal was to get the most dollars. Another trick was to get carbide tipped circular saw blades and put them in an ice chest, I mean fill the ice chest up, and when they got to the register they would pull the bar code off of the chest and hand it to the cashier.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #63  
Soundguy said:
Don't stop now.. I was just starting to make a good list! ;)

soundguy

If you hear an employee say to a cashier "Have you seen Bob?", Bob means bottom of buggy. It means that the shopper has some on the bottom of the cart that they haven't removed to have rung up.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #64  
More! More!



Tractors4u said:
If you hear an employee say to a cashier "Have you seen Bob?", Bob means bottom of buggy. It means that the shopper has some on the bottom of the cart that they haven't removed to have rung up.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #65  
MrJimi said:
With all the FAT, LAZY people we have here in Florida, all it takes is $4.00 per year and your good to go to P off the normal folks.
There are way too many people abusing this system as it is
Now go figure..
I am against it totally If you can walk normal and all of these ( SYSTEM SUCKERS ) are very able to walk.. We should fine them for abusing a good thing for the people that really need it.........
Put your foot down NOW!!!!!
Jim
:)


Ahhh, yes....the great state of Florida. Known up here as "God's waiting room."
Hey Mr Jimi, quit sugar coating everything and let us know how you really feel.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #66  
Podunkadunk said:
More! More!


OK, here is one more. One of the things that the assistant managers told us was that if they saw a shoplifter take something and if they lost visual contact with the suspect for just one second, they were not supposed to persue them. Why? Because according to the managers this had happened and the defense attornies used the arguement, "If you lost sight of them then how did you know that they didn't put it back?" I don't know if this was official Wal Mart Policy at the time or word of mouth that had spread around or just our store manager's policy. I do know that they were very soft on shop lifters when I worked there, but that was 20 years ago. They were also very lenient on their return policy.
 
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#67  
That is exactly why SC passed the law about concealing merchandise. Doesn't matter if you put it back, doesn't matter if you say you were going to pay. Concealing merchandise is a crime here. If they have you on video for example, concealing it, you've already broken the law, even if you sense you've been observed and put it back.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #68  
Skyco said:
That is exactly why SC passed the law about concealing merchandise. Doesn't matter if you put it back, doesn't matter if you say you were going to pay. Concealing merchandise is a crime here. If they have you on video for example, concealing it, you've already broken the law, even if you sense you've been observed and put it back.

When you say "Concealing merchandise is a crime here", I'm not at all sure that's exactly true. You'll notice that the statute you quoted is titled in part "presumptions" and it goes on to say it's "permissible to infer" that the person intended to convert it to his own use; i.e., steal it. I think you'll find that such persons are charged with theft or attempted theft; not concealment of the merchandise.

In other words, it's not actually illegal to conceal the merchandise; only to steal it or attempt to steal it, and it can be "presumed" that the concealment was with the intent to steal it. Presumptions in law are subject to rebuttal; although it can sometimes be very difficult to rebut some of them.:D
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting
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#69  
I only posted part of SC law there is more-

SECTION 16-13-105. Definitions as to shoplifting and similar offenses.

When used in Sections 16-13-110, 16-13-120 and 16-13-140 the terms listed below shall have the following meanings:

(1) "Conceal" means to hide merchandise on the person or among the belongings of a person so that, although there may be some notice of its presence, it is not visible through ordinary observation.

(2) "Full retail value" means the merchant's stated or advertised price of merchandise.

(3) "Merchandise" means any goods, chattels, foodstuffs or wares of any type and description, regardless of value.

(4) "Merchant" means an owner or operator of any retail mercantile establishment or any agent, employee, lessee, consignee, officer, director, franchisee or independent contractor of the owner or operator.

(5) "Store or other retail mercantile establishment" means a place where merchandise is displayed, held, stored or sold or offered to the public for sale.

SECTION 16-13-110. Shoplifting.

(A) A person is guilty of shoplifting if he:

(1) takes possession of, carries away, transfers from one person to another or from one area of a store or other retail mercantile establishment to another area, or causes to be carried away or transferred any merchandise displayed, held, stored, or offered for sale by any store or other retail mercantile establishment with the intention of depriving the merchant of the possession, use, or benefit of the merchandise without paying the full retail value;

(2) alters, transfers, or removes any label, price tag marking, indicia of value, or any other markings which aid in determining value affixed to any merchandise displayed, held, stored, or offered for sale in a store or other retail mercantile establishment and attempts to purchase the merchandise personally or in consort with another at less than the full retail value with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of the merchandise;

(3) transfers any merchandise displayed, held, stored, or offered for sale by any store or other retail mercantile establishment from the container in which it is displayed to any other container with intent to deprive the merchant of the full retail value.

(B) A person who violates the provisions of this section is guilty of a:

(1) misdemeanor triable in magistrate's court and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned not more than thirty days if the value of the shoplifted merchandise is one thousand dollars or less;

(2) felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, if the value of the shoplifted merchandise is more than one thousand dollars but less than five thousand dollars;

(3) felony and, upon conviction, must be imprisoned not more than ten years if the value of the shoplifted merchandise is five thousand dollars or more.

SECTION 16-13-111. Reports of shoplifting convictions.

A first offense shoplifting prosecution or second offense resulting in a conviction shall be reported by the magistrate or city recorder hearing the case to the Communications and Records Division of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division which shall keep a record of such conviction so that any law enforcement agency can inquire into whether or not a defendant has a prior record.

SECTION 16-13-120. Shoplifting; presumptions from concealment of unpurchased goods.

It is permissible to infer that any person wilfully concealing unpurchased goods or merchandise of any store or other mercantile establishment either on the premises or outside the premises of the store has concealed the article with the intention of converting it to his own use without paying the purchase price thereof within the meaning of Section 16-13-110. It is also permissible to infer that the finding of the unpurchased goods or merchandise concealed upon the person or among the belongings of the person is evidence of wilful concealment. If the person conceals or causes to be concealed the unpurchased goods or merchandise upon the person or among the belongings of another, it is also permissible to infer that the person so concealing such goods wilfully concealed them with the intention of converting them to his own use without paying the purchase price thereof within the meaning of Section 16-13-110.

SECTION 16-13-130. Sections 16-13-110 and 16-13-120 are cumulative.

The offense created by Section 16-13-110 and the inferences provided in Section 16-13-120 are not exclusive and are in addition to previously existing offenses and those rights and presumptions as were heretofore provided by law.

SECTION 16-13-140. Defense to action for delay to investigate ownership of merchandise.

In any action brought by reason of having been delayed by a merchant or merchant's employee or agent on or near the premises of a mercantile establishment for the purpose of investigation concerning the ownership of any merchandise, it shall be a defense to such action if: (1) The person was delayed in a reasonable manner and for a reasonable time to permit such investigation, and (2) reasonable cause existed to believe that the person delayed had committed the crime of shoplifting.
 
   / WalMart Shoplifting #70  
I know I'm just being a radical jerk, but I refuse to show or hand over my receipt at a Walmart exit. I paid for the merchandise and they are entitled to watch me from the register to the door. If they want to look in my bags they must call the police & accuse me of shoplifting. Honest Americans give up too many rights today without considering why they have any. MikeD74T
 

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