Want to move from 425 to 1430 or 1845

[MossRoad]

I agree. A few variables I can think of that can change traction are:

Soil type
Soil moisture
Ground cover species
Tire type
Tire pressure
Tread depth
Operator weight
Type of implement
Angle of incline
Position of seat
Gallons in fuel tank
Type of hydraulic fluid
Octane of fuel
Ambient air temperature
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Etc....

With that said, the operator is the only one that can tell if the thing "feels" right or not.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

MossRoad,

You have a great website - really neat - I wanted everyone to know that I really do love this machine - I spent alot of time picking it out - I just need to figure out the hill problem

Do you know anyone with a 1430? - The attachments are not interchangable - you have to make sure the flow differences are ok - ie 8 gpm vs 12gpm - also I will have to change out the attachment plates - but I will only keep say 3 or 4 attachments - the rest I will sell as a package and replace

I am really trying to find out if someone could give me the pump
info - I want to call Eaton - but first I at least need some'
numbers off a pump - I have the info from my 425 pump

PS - I will take some pictures tomorrow and try and post
them - bare with me as I am not experienced with it

Talk to you later

EDM

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Thanks for the input - interesting idea - you know - I tested the Steiner on my property before I purchased the Power
Trac - I wonder how their system works - For many reasons
I decided against the Steiner ( and still am very happy I went with Power Trac) - but I have to say - It had no
problem with the steep slope - I recall that it had a HI / LO
range - any idea how that worked

I wonder if there are wheel motors with a HI / LO range ie
variable displacement - I am no engineer - so I wonder how Steiner does it

 

[Anonymous Poster]

The machine has alot of hydraulic power and PTO power - the only thing I noticed is that you need to be careful when moving around topsoil (especially if it is wet / heavy) you need to keep it low - I noticed if you turn - the rear end gets light

but these issues are common to loader work - thats why
some people add counter weights -
(The power trac people recommend against it)
I was just saying
that if I move up to the 1430 or 1845 - those machines
are longer and heavier - both of which will come in handy

Also - I am using the 10cu bucket which is really for lighter
material - so - I probably would not experience it with the smaller 5cu bucket -

But believe me - the machine has the hydraulics to lift the
10cu bucket heaped right up no problem - it just needs more weight in the rear end to deal with it -

I think the machine has the power to lift the 800 pounds they say - I just think it is probably to light in the back to hold it up

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Something else I didn't think of - but will this help with the hills?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

I want to let you know first that I really do love the machine
and recommend it before I go into what I think is the problem

The guys at Power Trac really did not have an answer - Chris suggested that I turn up the pressure - but if I did so - the warranty is void - I don't think it is engine protection - The engine has power in reserve - the pump is simply not loading down the engine enough - I think - Now I am not an engineer - I guess this could also be a function of pressure, displacement of the pump in relation to displacement of the wheel motors etc -

Traction is not an issue I have a really thick carpet type
lawn and it does not loose traction - it grabs and goes right up
plus - I am going straight

Also - I noticed more strain on warm days vs cool - Mowing grass really does put a fair amount of strain on the hydraulics

I also talked to Terry several times - he just thinks that with the kind of slope I am dealing with - the 60 inch is too much -
he said for me to go to the 1845 - but that seems like overkill to me

It does have an easier time with the 48inch - Now a couple of
other things to consider 20 degrees is really steep -

You really need to measure your property - I thought mine
was more like 30 - but I measured the rise / run and calculated the angle and it is around 20 maybe 22 at one point - So what you think is 18 or 20 may only be 12 to 15

What I really want to find is someone with a 1430 & 1845 so I can gather all the trans and wheel motor info

I am also going to talk to a local shop that is really good with hydraulic tractors - about turning up the pressure -
but I don't want to mess with it yet

another note - the machine does climb straight up the hill and does not stall
- it just whines stains more than usual and I think the wheel motors shutter a little while cresting it

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Oh I forgot to reply - you mention my topsoil comment -
I really don't consider this a problem - you should test the machine there - see my other reply to MossRoad

also - I as well don't understand why they will not release the pump info - I agree - i am sure the units are off the shelf
and if you need to know just buy one and figure it out

I do have some #'s on mine and I will call Eaton and find out

That is how I figured out the specs for one of my custom attacments using their motor - they would not give me any
info on the motor - so I had to call White (the hydraulic motor
manufacturer) and find out the spec - which I eventually printed off Whites site - once I knew what model number it was -

Don'y get me wrong - I like everyone there - they are really nice - they are just trained to keep all info close to the vest -
They just need to realize I am a customer trying to buy their stuff - not a competitor - I am just a lawn junkie

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hi Charlie-

I did not see the post on the 400 with stalling the engine
I will look around for it .

I did see the post from the guy with the 1845 stalling the hydraulics and not the engine - which seems to be what I am experiencing - but he was probably on a much steeper slope


I don't think it is pedal technique - I tried it
a number of ways - I found the best to be basically constant steady slightly increasing pressure as you climb-

do you know anyone with a 1430 and their experiences?

Also the PT people suggested increasing the pressure

 

[MossRoad]

<font color=blue>constant steady slightly increasing pressure as you climb</font color=blue>

I do just the opposite. If the machine starts to have problems I let off the treadle a bit. The steepest hills require the least foot pressure and slowest speed.

 

[bubenberg]

No they are not, except the mini backhoe which is the same for the 400, 1400 and 1800, but you need the necessary quick attach plate.