Watcha eating?

[txdon]

I find that to be much too heavy on the grains. And if you are not buying organic, even more so. But, I guess that is another topic.

No it's not too heavy on the grains and yes it is whole grain organic. I use that ceramic green nonstick pan and can make pancakes without oil. The secrete is getting the pan to the right temp and a good wooden spatula. A salad would have rounded it out nicely but I had a lot of salad for lunch.

Farmgirl19 I know you really watch the amount of grains you eat because you also eat animal products and the excess combination would cause a weight problem. Since you know my food is plant based only, what reference are you using to say it is too heavy on the grains and how many ounces per meal or % should grains be for patients on a heart disease reversing diet? Please don't take this as sarcastic, there are lots of Doctors/Nutritionist on TBN that have more medical/nutritional education than I and I'm always looking for good recent studies to review. (If your statement was directed toward your specific diet then disregard, but then was wondering when you eat pancakes for breakfast do you not use grains?)

 

[mjarrels]

Filipino breakfast today, small dish of garlic fried rice with a fried egg on top.

mark

 

[toppop52]

OK, I just ate a home cooked biscuit with a little Brummle and Brown, a sausage patty, an egg, a slice of provolone and some mayo. Yes, I'm standing in the corner with my head down in shame....waiting for lunch!

 

[IslandTractor]

OK, I just ate a home cooked biscuit with a little Brummle and Brown, a sausage patty, an egg, a slice of provolone and some mayo. Yes, I'm standing in the corner with my head down in shame....waiting for lunch!

Brummel and Brown???? That's non fat YOGURT!!! No wonder you are hanging your head in shame.

 

[txdon]

OK, I just ate a home cooked biscuit with a little Brummle and Brown, a sausage patty, an egg, a slice of provolone and some mayo. Yes, I'm standing in the corner with my head down in shame....waiting for lunch!

I'm curious about the Brummle and Brown. Google list several different types of food with that name. Can you list the ingredients? I hope it's not one of the ones I saw or cardiac rehab will be needing a larger area.

I really need to look in to starting up a rehab business it would be booming. My cardiac rehab now has a waiting list to get in -and Obama care has not even started!

 

[toppop52]

In decreasing order Brummel & Brown Spread contains water; vegetable oil blend (liquid soybean oil, palm oil, palm kernel oil, liquid canola oil); salt; gelatin; nonfat yogurt (cultured nonfat milk); natural soy lecithin; vegetable mono and diglycerides (potassium sorbate, E202, a preservative; calcium disodium EDTA) used to protect quality; lactic acid; artificial flavors; vitamin A (palmitate); beta carotene (color)

Hey, it has beta carotene!:thumbsup:

I rarely eat anything but real butter and not too much of that. That was out and I had my knife in hand...

 

[txdon]

Hey, it has beta carotene!:thumbsup:

I rarely eat anything but real butter and not too much of that. That was out and I had my knife in hand...

OK that one that has only 45 calories per tablespoon and all 45 come from fat.
5g total fat, 1.5 saturated
no cholesterol

Butter, 1 T
102 calories
Total saturated 7.29
Total monounsaturated 2.98
Total polyunsaturated 0.43
There's about 33 mg of cholesterol in a tablespoon of butter.

Your choices are kind of ahhh, how can I say this nicely........

 

[farmgirl19]

No it's not too heavy on the grains and yes it is whole grain organic. I use that ceramic green nonstick pan and can make pancakes without oil. The secrete is getting the pan to the right temp and a good wooden spatula. A salad would have rounded it out nicely but I had a lot of salad for lunch.

Farmgirl19 I know you really watch the amount of grains you eat because you also eat animal products and the excess combination would cause a weight problem. Since you know my food is plant based only, what reference are you using to say it is too heavy on the grains and how many ounces per meal or % should grains be for patients on a heart disease reversing diet? Please don't take this as sarcastic, there are lots of Doctors/Nutritionist on TBN that have more medical/nutritional education than I and I'm always looking for good recent studies to review. (If your statement was directed toward your specific diet then disregard, but then was wondering when you eat pancakes for breakfast do you not use grains?)

I don't eat pancakes. Too many carbs, and not something I enjoy. If I want the carbs, beer or wine will be where I go for them!

Your grain diet is better than most who try it. At least you are eating whole grain, instead of the stuff where the nutrition has been stripped. Most folks don't realize that the reason the flour they buy at the store is "enriched" is because they stripped all nutrition from it in processing it. Same for "fortified" milk. If you didn't destroy the nutrients, you wouldn't have to try to add them back in, in synthetic form, I might mention.

I have a couple of sources that I use for some of my studies and research. Here is a good video, done by a doctor in Denmark. It is from Jan. 2013, so pretty recent. Uffe Ravnskov: The cholesterol campaign and its misleading dietary advices - YouTube

This paper, is a bit dated, since what I have was last revised 2002, but has some good information. Myths of Vegetarianism - Weston A Price Foundation

Also, the book, "Stop Worrying Abiout Cholesterol" by Dr. Richard C. Tapert, is good information. I don;t know if a current edition is available for it, but it shows how the results were skewed and distorted, and why, inthe studies that began the fad of having lower cholesterol in the diet.

I'll have to look for the study linking dementia with lower cholesterol. After all, most of the brain is cholesterol, so if one lowers those levels, they are also decreasing brain capacity. Wonder why we have so much more dementia lately?

Cholesterol is an anti-oxidant. The reason the levels tend to climb as we get older, is because we need more anti-oxidants.

Cholesterol is also the important precursor molecule for important hormones, such as estrogen, testosterone, and also for Vitamin D. Most people in the US are Vitamin D deficient. Partly due to diet, and partly because we sit indoors and don't get the sunshine. When our skin is exposed to UV from sunlight, cholesterol is converted to Vitamin D.

I am not as "strict" on my diet, as you are yours. I enjoy all types of fresh foods, and even some that are not so good for me (Tex-Mex). I just know that when I do have a day of indulgence, I'll have to make up for it, on other days. For the most part, I try to enjoy all things in moderation. I know that you ate that term, but a couple of glasses of wine, a couple of evenings a week, is probably better for me, than a lot of foods that you eat, and is what I consider "moderation". I try to limit cheese to a couple of ounces a day. It is my FAVORITE food! I do not drink milk, because I can't stand it. I like yogurt, but always want more than the small container, so usually avoid it, so that I am not tempted to go over the "moderation" level there. One day, I might eat 6 ounces of lean, organically raised beef, and the next, I might not even have 2 ounces. So, I don't always follow the 4 oz rule. And before everyine thinks I really am Wonder Woman, on my diet, I do enjoy a scrambled egg, a strip of bacon, and half a piece of toast for supper, if I am looking for quick meal, after being out working all day. When it comes to flavor, the words of Emeril ring true: "Pork fat rules!"

And remember TXDon, you are the one who asked!

 

[txdon]

Remind me not to ask you again!!!

I know we will disagree. But do you believe Uffe when he says the highest cholesterol possible is best for health?

In the second link, the anti vegerterian site, it reference a lot on the Framington study. The Framington study reported no subject with a cholesterol level under 150 ever suffered a heart attack. This was a 35 year study.

The Framingham Heart Study: It's about your heart - New York Healthcare | Examiner.com

 

[farmgirl19]

Remind me not to ask you again!!!

I know we will disagree. But do you believe Uffe when he says the highest cholesterol possible is best for health?

In the second link, the anti vegerterian site, it reference a lot on the Framington study. The Framington study reported no subject with a cholesterol level under 150 ever suffered a heart attack. This was a 35 year study.

The Framingham Heart Study: It's about your heart - New York Healthcare | Examiner.com

Actually, the authors of the Framingham study said that "For every 1% drop in cholesterol level, there was in increase of 14% in cardiovascular deaths." However, by the time the study was well underway, "the commercial interests that were to benefit from the development and sale of artificially modified fats (margarines and oils), had gained a major foothold in the marketplace."

While I placed it in quotations, it is paraphrased, not an exact quote from the book. Didn't want anyone thinking I was taking liberties with someone else's writing.

And I do believe that higher cholesterol levels are healthy. It is the carbs and sugars that lead to inflammation that leads to plaque deposits, not the cholesterol levels. Here is a neat tidbit: If they draw blood and check my cholesterol levels in January or Feb, it is around 210. Draw blood and check it in August, and it is 120. That is the difference that UV sunlight makes. (I spend a LOT of time working outdoors!) And all of that cholesterol is converted to Vitamin D, which is good for bones, as well as the immune system. Maybe that is why I never get sick. Can't remember the last time that I had the flu, and I don't take the flu vaccine!

As far as studies, and FDA, etc., the FDA says, "There is NO safe level of exposure to mercury." When I was a kid, we had mercury thermometers for taking our temp. (Yes, I'm that old, so shut up!) Those were banned because they could break and expose one to a small amount of mercury. So, there is NO safe level, yet our vaccines are preserved with .......MERCURY. So, no safe level, yet we inject it into ourselves with every vaccine we receive. What gives? Yeah, I know, another topic altogether. Just makes me have no faith in what is being told to us.

I'll leave it alone. I just wanted you to know that for every study or "expert" that says low cholesterol is good, and avoiding meat fats is important, I can pull up one that says just the opposite. Not trying to change you, if you believe what you are doing is working for you. I just don't want someone telling me that I have to follow the same to be healthy.

I guess we can agree to disagree, and I can respect that.

 

[RobertBrown]

Early Times??? Sorry doc but that is cheap stuff great for mixing.... I was running out of Dickel and Sundrop...

David

You just put your foot in your mouth my friend...respectfully
He who mixes Bourbon with Diet Soda, should not be evaluating spirits. Early Times is a quality spirit. You could find a smoother bourbon but your going to have spend a lot more.
You don't see a lot money spent on promoting Early Times, it's made well and sells itself.

 

[IslandTractor]

You just put your foot in your mouth my friend...respectfully
He who mixes Bourbon with Diet Soda, should not be evaluating spirits. Early Times is a quality spirit. You could find a smoother bourbon but your going to have spend a lot more.
You don't see a lot money spent on promoting Early Times, it's made well and sells itself.

I avoid anything sweet as a mixer with spirits. I'll go for a rum and coke occasionally but that is about it. Might as well add grain alcohol to whatever pop you like otherwise. Good spirits should be appreciated straight up. Vodka and gin I don't feel so strongly about but bourbon, scotch etc, especially single malts or craft made spirits should be enjoyed neat or with a dash of H2O. OK, I won't pontificate on that any longer (but Diet Mountain Dew, yeh gads!, that's one step on the slippery slope to a Shandy )

 

[IslandTractor]

Nutrition is a relatively young science. Lots is unknown and the interactions between diet, exercise and genes are complex and almost always very confusing. On top of that, nutrition is an applied science which means that carefully controlled test tube experiments are not possible and the methodologies used in nutritional studies are often rather loose and lack proper validation. Even worse, there are at least ten nutcases with a pet theory for every legitimate unbiased investigator in the field. This difficult situation is made even worse by the World Wide Web where a billion instant experts tout their favorite theory with near religious fervor.

I honestly don't think we are close to a true understanding of what an optimal diet is and my own bias is that we will not know for another generation. In the meantime we need to "pay the money and take the chances". Some will subject themselves to a rigid difficult diet that may or may not pan out to be necessary. Others will ignore all advice and continue the modern American über diet. The Golden Mean principle may or may not apply here but that is what I am comfortable following. No supplements. No excessive restrictions. Watch the belt line. Get some exercise. Enjoy a drink or two, experience and enjoy a variety of good food and watch the world go by. Life is too short to spend much time worrying about exactly what to eat. And, never forget, life is too long to drink cheap wine.

 

[M E Race]

Will have to disagree with that study. My cholesterol level was 128 when I had heart attack with 90 percent blockage. But then it could have been caused be stress since that was the day they crowned our new king in D.C.

 

[toppop52]

OK that one that has only 45 calories per tablespoon and all 45 come from fat.
5g total fat, 1.5 saturated
no cholesterol

Butter, 1 T
102 calories
Total saturated 7.29
Total monounsaturated 2.98
Total polyunsaturated 0.43
There's about 33 mg of cholesterol in a tablespoon of butter.

Your choices are kind of ahhh, how can I say this nicely........

You do realize that high cholesterol comes more from eating fat than eating cholesterol, which actually does little to raise cholesterol. But you are correct, neither is a Great choice.

 

[mjarrels]

I have to be careful... choked on a piece of steak a few years ago. Wife is in the medical field and knew what to do. She did the right thing to me and did the right thing for an old gale in the philippines a couple years later. I don't eat chunks of beef alone anymore.

mark

 

[MossflowerWoods]

You just put your foot in your mouth my friend...respectfully
He who mixes Bourbon with Diet Soda, should not be evaluating spirits. Early Times is a quality spirit. You could find a smoother bourbon but your going to have spend a lot more.
You don't see a lot money spent on promoting Early Times, it's made well and sells itself.

Robert,

I apologize. I like Early Times just fine, I buy it by the case (in the 1.75 size). But I discovered it due to it's low price and kept buying it because it tasted good mixed.

I don't drink sugary sodas, I switched to diet decades ago, and I can't stand the sugary stuff, so I ALWAYS mix with diet (sorry again).

For GOOD Bourbon, I buy Booker, I keep it in my boot flask, and I have a couple bottles for my good friends.

For straight, I drink Irish, or occasionally singlemalt scotch.

I hope you can forgive me.

David

 

[toppop52]

I'm an old hillbilly, since i don't make my own sipping whiskey anymore, an old family tradition, i just sip Southern Comfort. But only 100 proof, the others are not smooth enough, especially that 60 proof crap, it tastes like Robitussin!

 

[dmccarty]

The family and I were down at east last week for a school field trip. While visiting Fort Fisher, I found a book that was the history of Carolina Beach in post cards. One of the interesting things about the post cards were the people, especially the women. Photos I have seen from the same time period, 20's-40's, showed that most of the people were slender with only a few that looked a bit pudgy but they were not dressed in a bathing suit either. Certainly nobody was fat like we can often see today. The postcards in the book showed women who certainly were NOT slender and NOT fat but I would say a bit pudgy. These postcards were meant to get people to the beach and where certainly considered a bit risque by the standard of the day so it leads one to believe that the body size was an ideal of the time. I was a bit surprised by the photos.

The women were not fat or even Rubenesque that is for sure but they were certainly a bit heavier than I expected. Course their being a bit heavier was more healthy than the starving models you see today.

Later,
Dan

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I avoid anything sweet as a mixer with spirits. I'll go for a rum and coke occasionally but that is about it. Might as well add grain alcohol to whatever pop you like otherwise. Good spirits should be appreciated straight up. Vodka and gin I don't feel so strongly about but bourbon, scotch etc, especially single malts or craft made spirits should be enjoyed neat or with a dash of H2O. OK, I won't pontificate on that any longer (but Diet Mountain Dew, yeh gads!, that's one step on the slippery slope to a Shandy )

I guess Chivas and Dr. Pepper isn't so popular any more?