Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy

   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #41  
I hope they have improved the Cam Breaking in lube.. I was totally disgusted when I had one cam burn a lifter and lobe? Years a go, I had used moly-desulfide , by crane?
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #42  
I hope they have improved the Cam Breaking in lube.. I was totally disgusted when I had one cam burn a lifter and lobe? Years a go, I had used moly-desulfide , by crane?

The break in lube is still the same its the oil that has changed most all modern engines now use roller lifters and do not need the good stuff like zinc etc for anti-friction that older flat tappet cams require.

Search for it there are tons of articles and somebody like royal purple for instance has just the oil you need for the older motors break in etc. :thumbsup:
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #43  
The break in lube is still the same its the oil that has changed most all modern engines now use roller lifters and do not need the good stuff like zinc etc for anti-friction that older flat tappet cams require.

Search for it there are tons of articles and somebody like royal purple for instance has just the oil you need for the older motors break in etc. :thumbsup:

That sounds like a good tip on the next motor? I do like roller cams. but only had one in my diesel..I only mentioned that lobe problem as it was such a bummer to try to get the cam out of the truck and a new one in, without pulling the engine?I do have one more motor block to play with, just did not find the right chevy body for it. THX. JY.
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #45  
Sorry man I see that now so lets just say +1 or 2 what Ryan said hows that good thinking btw! :thumbsup:

No need to apoligize CarDoc, We're cool. :)
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #46  
I hope they have improved the Cam Breaking in lube.. I was totally disgusted when I had one cam burn a lifter and lobe? Years a go, I had used moly-desulfide , by crane?

I was going to go solid flat tappet last time I went through the 468bb in the Chevelle. After some research, I learned that there is some question as to the current quality of the aftermarket cast iron flat tappet cam blanks. It seems that many companies use blanks that come on boats from very far away, and quality can be hit or miss.

For this reason I went with a Solid Roller cam on a billet blank, just like the engine before. Although the current HP standard,rollers are not without there share of issues in a performance application. Hydro roller lifters are HEAVY, and due to being hydraulic, valve spring pressures need to stay on the moderate side. Most hydro rollers are limited to 5500 to 6000 RPM's in pushrod engines. If you over rev and float the valves on a roller cam, you stand a good chance of doing seriouse damage to the roller portion of the lifter, and eventualy your cam.

Solid Roller lifters wont put up with bouncing up and down on the lobe much either, but on a solid this is usualy due to excessive lash causing the wheel on the lifter to lose contact with the cam lobe, eventualy this will destroy the wheel, needle bearings for the lifter wheel and the cam lobe. Excessive idle time is also realy bad for a solid roller due to massive valve spring pressure and lack of lube to the wheel areas of the lifter.

Bottom line is IMHO, roller lifters should be periodicaly checked in a performance engine. This is something that I know well since I was guilty of saying "oh their fine" until one day 4 years ago a lifter wheel shattered at 6800 RPM's and broke the cam in 3 peices and took a hunk of the lifter valley out the size of a softball. The lifters were high end Iskies, but I had not checked them for 5 years.
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #47  
I was going to go solid flat tappet last time I went through the 468bb in the Chevelle. After some research, I learned that there is some question as to the current quality of the aftermarket cast iron flat tappet cam blanks. It seems that many companies use blanks that come on boats from very far away, and quality can be hit or miss.

For this reason I went with a Solid Roller cam on a billet blank, just like the engine before. Although the current HP standard,rollers are not without there share of issues in a performance application. Hydro roller lifters are HEAVY, and due to being hydraulic, valve spring pressures need to stay on the moderate side. Most hydro rollers are limited to 5500 to 6000 RPM's in pushrod engines. If you over rev and float the valves on a roller cam, you stand a good chance of doing seriouse damage to the roller portion of the lifter, and eventualy your cam.

Solid Roller lifters wont put up with bouncing up and down on the lobe much either, but on a solid this is usualy due to excessive lash causing the wheel on the lifter to lose contact with the cam lobe, eventualy this will destroy the wheel, needle bearings for the lifter wheel and the cam lobe. Excessive idle time is also realy bad for a solid roller due to massive valve spring pressure and lack of lube to the wheel areas of the lifter.

Bottom line is IMHO, roller lifters should be periodicaly checked in a performance engine. This is something that I know well since I was guilty of saying "oh their fine" until one day 4 years ago a lifter wheel shattered at 6800 RPM's and broke the cam in 3 peices and took a hunk of the lifter valley out the size of a softball. The lifters were high end Iskies, but I had not checked them for 5 years.

6800 on a BB...Yikes...I did that once for a very short run and blew the oil pump to pieces in my 396..No structural damage but the whole top end was "blued" out.

I'm going to just buy a GM PP 502 and act like an adult once I get the restoration under way.
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy
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#48  
timswi said:
6800 on a BB...Yikes...I did that once for a very short run and blew the oil pump to pieces in my 396..No structural damage but the whole top end was "blued" out.

I'm going to just buy a GM PP 502 and act like an adult once I get the restoration under way.

5500 is as high as i will push my 327. 2 bolt mains, stock crank and rods, taking a risk going much higher. Ive seen 7500+ on a stock bottom end ls motor, but they are stout, 6 bolt mains etc.
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #49  
5500 is as high as i will push my 327. 2 bolt mains, stock crank and rods, taking a risk going much higher. Ive seen 7500+ on a stock bottom end ls motor, but they are stout, 6 bolt mains etc.

I agree with your caution there...I have seen some lightly juiced SB's wind well over 6K without issue....I just don't like picking up rods off the ground personally and when I did that stuff I really couldn't afford to pay for the carnage.:D
 
   / Water in oil 327cu/in Chevy #50  
6800 on a BB...Yikes...I did that once for a very short run and blew the oil pump to pieces in my 396..No structural damage but the whole top end was "blued" out.

I'm going to just buy a GM PP 502 and act like an adult once I get the restoration under way.

I used to take it to 7000 regularly, But it had GOOD parts in it. 4 bolt marine block, Crower crank, Oliver steel rods, venolia pistons, Ferra valves, double Crower valve springs, 245lbs on the seat 640lbs over the nose, etc. I built that engine when I was 21 and still lived at home. It lived for 8 years of street and strip abuse, with one freshening.

The current one also is a gen 4 marine 454 block, 4 bolt, Gm steel crank .020 under heavily radiused, old American made Manly H beam rods, wiseco mini dome pistons .060 over,Lunati solid roller Pn 60232 cam with isky red zone lifters. Heads are the same as my other engine, same spring as listed above, GM 990 ported rectangular ports with 2.225 intake and 1.88 exhaust valves. I do not spin this one past 6500 RPM, mostly due to the heavier rotating assembly, as well as the milder cam.
 

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