West Coast Smoke, UGH!

[5030]

Not bad here today in SE Michigan, unlike yesterday. Very light haze. least there is no smoke smell.

 

[Aquamoose]

That IS man doing something to prevent these horrible fires. Its not nothing as you suggest.
What you fail to understand, then go on to admit in the bold paragraph later in your post, is that once man settles into an area, he needs to take responsibility to said area if he and his structures objective is to survive.

I said that the BEST thing to do would be nothing but since it man decided to develop, the NEXT closest option would be to “mimic” nature’s way of having fire go through the area by removing stuff that would have burned. This would consist of removing ground and ladder fuels. If the area has pyrophyle plants such as lodgepole pines, plantings of seedlings by hand would be necessary.

 

[ultrarunner]

For decades burning or incinerating biomass was the way it was done... Later a permit was required...

My guess it was outlawed in the 80's with residents told to compost...

 

[California]

For decades burning or incinerating biomass was the way it was done... Later a permit was required...

My guess it was outlawed in the 80's with residents told to compost...

We can still burn orchard prunings up here north of SF - where all the flower children retreated to after SF became bozo.

But it has to be real ag waste. The contractor who maintains and harvests my apple orchard told me he got fined when the county came to investigate why his prunings bonfire was so smoky ... and discovered lumps of lawn clippings that hadn't ignited yet.

$300 for a County annual burn permit, per site. At my place he now shreds anything the flail mower can chew up, prunings plus old hollow limbs that collapsed, and we burn the remaining heavier wood and stumps every second year.

 

[oosik]

First night since this all started. Out on the porch - I can see LOTS of stars. I think you should be seeing better times, soon - grsthegreat. Wind here is heading right at you - NE with deflections - NNE/ENE.

 

[Hay Dude]

For decades burning or incinerating biomass was the way it was done... Later a permit was required...

My guess it was outlawed in the 80's with residents told to compost...

I was told that CA used to have pretty large forestry clean up battalions that did this work and that program was curtailed years ago.

 

[Skeans1]

I said that the BEST thing to do would be nothing but since it man decided to develop, the NEXT closest option would be to “mimic” nature’s way of having fire go through the area by removing stuff that would have burned. This would consist of removing ground and ladder fuels. If the area has pyrophyle plants such as lodgepole pines, plantings of seedlings by hand would be necessary.

What’s a pine they don’t naturally start till the eastern side of the cascades and the very southern part of Oregon. The best way to mimic it in the PNW is to clear cut that’s the biggest problem we have it’s been 30 almost on the nose since the clear cutting got shut down in the areas that are burning.

For decades burning or incinerating biomass was the way it was done... Later a permit was required...

My guess it was outlawed in the 80's with residents told to compost...

I’m in the NW end of Oregon and to slash burn piles or say a ground slash burn is getting harder and harder thanks to Portland Oregon we have to call their Air Quality Board first if it’s an industrial fire.

 

[ultrarunner]

We can still burn orchard prunings up here north of SF - where all the flower children retreated to after SF became bozo.

But it has to be real ag waste. The contractor who maintains and harvests my apple orchard told me he got fined when the county came to investigate why his prunings bonfire was so smoky ... and discovered lumps of lawn clippings that hadn't ignited yet.

$300 for a County annual burn permit, per site. At my place he now shreds anything the flail mower can chew up, prunings plus old hollow limbs that collapsed, and we burn the remaining heavier wood and stumps every second year.

Brother is AG with million dollar homes across the street in city limits.

He was required to burn diseased trees.

That did not stop mass confusion as 911 calls rolled in even with it posted and courtesy notifications to all agencies...

It can be hard to farm using best or required practices.

 

[5030]

I was told that CA used to have pretty large forestry clean up battalions that did this work and that program was curtailed years ago.

Bottom line is, if you don't maintain properly, at some point it goes up in smoke.... Lots of it. Talk about air pollution, there it is, in spades. You cannot have ot both ways. Either you practice proper forestry management, selective cutting for timber, dealing with deadfall and floor management or you play the tree hugger stuff and do nothing at it burns at some point. Sort of forced forestry management now. The other issue is, all the floor debris and invasive plant matter sucks up ground water and Kalifornia and surrounding states have a water issue anyway,.

 

[Rebeldad1]

bright red/orange sun. smoke still as bad as yesterday barely see any mountain around us. cant see across the valley at all