What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying?

   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #41  
Bob_Skurka said:
I wish I would have looked at Power-Trac. However I didn't learn about it until I found TBN.

The lack of dealerships probably would have prevented me from buying a Power-Trac, but honestly, it appears to be one of the best overall machines for most homeowners. Although pretty clunky in form factor and fit/finish, it is a practical design that would serve most non-farming property owner better than a traditional tractor design. It would also be a great design for horse farms.

I feel the same way. The PowerTracs don't get enough press on TBN and except for MossRoad (and occasionally KentT) none of the PT owners seem to participate in other forums so the PTs don't get talked about in general forums. Having the implements up front on a quick attach system is HUGE. While the PTs are not suitable for true Ag use or major BH use, they are the true Swiss Army knives of the tractor world. I was on the verge of buying one a couple of years ago when they had a big price increase. I decided to take one more look at standard tractors as a result and stumbled upon a real bargain at the Kioti dealer. Otherwise I'd have a PT425 with a lot of cool implements. I was not thrilled with the gas vs diesel engine but the PT1430 cost about $5000 more as I recall which was hard to justify. I have no regrets buying the CK20 but I'd love to have a PT (too:) ).
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #42  
coasterez said:
intended uses. Had money not been an issue, I'd have bought another Deere.


Same with me Coasterez. When I was five or six yrs. old my parents bought me a JD pedal tractor. From that moment on I was a big fan of JD equipment. I owned a JD 870 for six years and couldn't have asked for a better tractor and would still own a JD if the dealer would have been willing to negotiate just a little bit.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #43  
Bob_Skurka said:
What I am convinced of, is that the Power Trac design is probably more suitable and better for the vast majority of home-owner type property owners than any brand or style of conventional tractor under 35 horsepower. PT does fall short for farmer-type cropping activities. But PT is vastly superior for loader work, faster for mowing, better suited for using a PHD, snow blower and a host of other implements. It is probably not as good for box blade work, but if BB work is only 10% of your needs, then the PT is probably going to be 500% more productive and efficient in operation than a traditional CUT.

Again, Bob, that's a great "testimony" from someone who doesn't own one.

Those of us who have them are so crazy about them that we probably come across as very biased and people discount our views because of that...

The reality is that until you've spent a half hour or more in the seat of one, you can't appreciate it. (You need to spend enough time to start getting comfortable with their different controls, the difference that articulation makes, etc.) Once you get past that, you find that they are SOOOOOO MUCH faster to maneuver with than a traditional machine. You can literally run circles around a traditional tractor when doing loader work, for example. When mowing, the only thing that's faster is a ZTR -- and we're talking about driving 5-ft, 6-ft or even larger decks.

Then there's the easy change of implements, in comparison to other tractors. Since you can change implements so easily and quickly, you use the full variety of attachments you have much, much more than with a CUT/SCUT. You "attack" a job with several implements, not just trying to use the ones that are currently hooked up to your tractor. For example, if doing dirt work, I can change from a bucket to a boxblade to a power-angle snow/dirt blade to a landscape rake, and back to the bucket, all within a 5-minute timeframe if you want/need to. If one implement isn't producing the desired result, you can try another in less than 2 minutes -- without ever lifting, shoving or manhandling the implement. The most difficult thing you have to do to change implements is to connect/disconnect the hydraulic hoses (which have quick-connects) if that implement uses hydraulics. The quick-attach system changes the whole way you approach a task...

And like you said, all of them are up front with a virtually unobstructed view (no hood in the way) so you can really see what you're doing. Imagine your "bush-hog" in front, so you can see it all the time that you're manevering down a fence line, with articulated steering that'll let you precisely mow in under the fence and back out around the fence posts, and then back in, under the fence again.

Another attribute that's hard to describe is how precisely you can place an implement when you're using it. Since the implement is mounted out front on the end of the lift arms, just a slight articulation will swing that implement side-to-side a couple of feet -- either when sitting still or the tractor is moving. I can swing a boxblade side-to-side and position it as precisely as you can position a backhoe bucket on a CUT -- and I can do the same thing with a mower deck, or a post-hole-digger or any other implement.

Then there's the attachments that operate totally uniquely on PT, such as the minihoe. No, it doesn't swing side to side as far as a backhoe does, nor does it dig as deep. But, on the other hand because I don't have to dismount, turn a seat around and place my stabilizers in order to use it. I can grab a boulder, or a tree trunk or whatever and haul it and then place it precisely where I want it faster than you can prepare a traditional backhoe to even begin working. I can be back picking up the second one before they pick up the first one... Nor, does the minihoe operate the same on a PT as they do on a skidsteer, because I can articulate the PT and swing the minihoe 45-degrees in either direction (total of 90-degree swing). I don't have to drive somewhere to dump a bucket full of dirt... yet I can manever just as fast, more precisely and with a whole lot less damage to the grass or soil I'm working on.

Bottom line is that they're so different -- and faster, and better for most homeowner/property owner tasks -- that it's hard to describe. Power Trac should really use an "owner-referral" network so that people can more easily experience them firsthand. It would really open their eyes...

Again, thanks for the credibility you bring to the situation, Bob, with your totally objective, outsider's viewpoint...
 
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   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #44  
well I stopped lurking and put the pen to the paper. we looked at the jd's and the kioti's and the kubota's and the nh units and we just couldn't turn away from the montana's. I've got to tell ya, this little machine is a little grunt. it does everything well, and the price is really impressive, compared to the other guys. the montana packs all the goodies the other guys have and then some. dual hydralics in the rear, very good loader, adjustable steering wheel,shuttle shift,12 speed gearing and the power steering is unbelieveable. it has adjustable hydralic control,
put the bucket down in a hill of soil and all fours just dig in and thru it you go...its the R3644 4WD and pound for pound dollar for dollar I just could not choose anything else...the fella that sold it to me is quite a distance from me, but the tractor just was a better deal...I know some fella's won't even consider buying from someone who isn't 2 blocks down the street. but the montana was just the most impressive tractor I tried. and I'm taking a risk I guess if I ever have trouble.....but the fit and finish of the tractor was just heads above the others...we are really impressed with it .
the financing was much more comfortable than the others offered. so we went for it....so far I'm really catching up on the liftin' pushin',scrapin' and haulin' duties around here.....and I've even got some fuel money left in my pocket.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #45  
I started with Deere (790) looked at the NH TC30, then the Agco and Landtrac 30hp offerings (both were pretty salty price wise), and the Kubota in the same price range. For giggles I stopped at the Mahindra dealership.

I got a Mahindra 3510 for about the same money and the smaller big name (here) brands.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #46  
It took me over a year, every article on TBN (plus opinions when I needed questions answered), and actually test driving before I settled on Power-Trac. A move I do not regret at all.

I started thinking used Chinese (A grey market dealer lived just down the street). TBN made it clear the small HP tractors she had would not suffice. I did a review of the dealers locally (Deere, Kubota, TYM). TYM blew me away with price and service and the tractor itself (ps, did not go to the local TYM dealer who is a nutjob).

I then did the best thing ever. I rented locally for one week. I ended up with a rented Kubota bx21 with loader and mower. Great little tractor, ergonomics were marginal but on my property the slopes killed the deal for a regular tractor. I can't tell you how many times I felt I was going over on that little machine.

Then the used PowerTrac 1850 became available and I bought it. I had never seen one live, let alone driven a PowerTrac, but after having been on the CUT Kubota I felt I had no real choice (probably not the smartest move - should have spent the $300 for an airline ticket before the 25K for tractor and toys) Like any tractor, some things are good, some things aren't so good. This tractor will go on any slope anywhere. It is so manueverable, even with dualies, attachments are plentiful (almost all of mine are 3rd party) and all are less than 1 minute swap time, the tractor is dirt simple (A plus and a minus). While there is no local dealer support, I have the home number of the head technician, and he told me to call him over easter weekend if I had any problems. A+ Customer Service if you ask me. I am not worried whether they stay in business or not because all the parts are easily purchased over the counter.

Downsides of the PT are they are dirt simple (not much for comfort), the engines require a higher level of maintenance than other engines (maintenance in keeping clean the cooling system which is of bad design), they are hydraulic, so HP numbers are not really matchable to standard CUTS and you cannot get any help from your farming neighbors unless they are hydraulic specialists. But I have had my neighbors laugh at me in the beginning (dumb californian usual verbage, even though I am orignially from wyoming) now they are asking me to come by and clean up some previously unreachable slopes for them and the love the manueverability. I personally dislike the lifting power of my version of PT, but it is related to the fact that you can lift the arms all the way up with 1200lbs of load on a 45 degree slope and not go over. Beyond 1200lbs at 45degrees I guess things get dicey. Try that with a CUT. Final downside is that the ergonomics are quirky on the PT. Most controls are clearly marked and work great. Treddle is a bit odd and simple, the lift controls are touchy, and it comes with a 3rd control lever (for grapple, backhoe) that is so misplaced everyone is trying to come up with a homemade improvement. That said, it is so easy to operate, so easy to manuever, and it is so simple to mount up and down (the thing is low to the ground) you won't go back to a CUT unless you have to plow a field.

If I had to do it again, I would in a hearbeat. If the PT was not available and I had to get a CUT I would look very hard at the TYM line...

Carl
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #47  
I wanted to replace my old 48 TE-20 and Craftsman L&G tractor w/ one new unit w/an FEL and I started out my quest at a JD dealer. Went on to a Kubota dealer, another JD dealer, a Massey/Cub dealer, another JD dealer, a Kubota/NH dealer, A Ford/NH dealer, a Branson dealer, a Kioti dealer, another JD dealer and a Chinese tractor dealer w/gold tractors. I also looked at more used tractors than I care to list other than to say I believe I covered 'em all w/the exception of the Power Trac of which there were none locally.
I started out wanting a CUT and ended up deciding on a Scut which shortened the field immencely to the final 3, i.e. Kubota BX2230, JD 2210 & Massey 2300. I found something I liked in each model to the point that I could have felt happy with any of them. With this being the case I based my decision on which dealer I wanted to drop the $$$'s on and in the end I felt best trading with the closest dealer which was also the 1st Kubota dealer I went to. That dealer was basically the "benchmark" that I compared all the others to and he was who I felt the best trading with. Oh, and I talked myself into the BX23 just when I was all set to go with the BX2230 at the O hour as I decided I had a use for a BH after all :D :D
I thoroughly enjoyed the process as I got to test out all those machines I'd gawk at everytime I'd pass by a dealership.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #48  
I did my searching last spring/summer for a replacement for my JD755 once I decided not to put money into the tired engine. It was a good little tractor but already had high hrs when i bought it. I wanted a hydro tractor not much larger but with more HP and also a BH.

I tried the JD2520, Kubota B7800 & B2630, NH TC30, Case DX26, CC6284 (with CAT/Perkins engine), and MF1528. Most all had something I liked & also some interesting quirks. One of the MF dealers also had Mahindra, but not sure they had the smaller hydro tractors they have this year.

In the end it came down to JD2520 vs KB2630 vs MF1528. MF was a sentimental favorite because when I was a kid my parents best friends ran the local MF dealership. That place is still in business but 3hrs from me now and the nearest dealerships (were) both 1 1/2 hrs away. I decided that was just too far as JD and KB are both only 15min away. I also didn't like (at all) how the MF BH hooked up so they were out. Interestingly, a new MF dealership just opened up this spring less than 5 miles away.

In the end it came down to that the best deal either of the local KB dealers could manage was still over $1500 more for the 2630 than the deal on the JD2520. I already had a good relationship with the JD dealership so in the end it was a no brainer to go with the 2520. I'm still very happy with my decision to stay green.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #49  
I am not much on change and getting worse as I get older. I bought a Deere and never looked serious at any other brand. I am sure when I get ready to trade I will only look at Deere again. I am the same way about pickups I have had all Chevys and probably always will. My wife said to me last time I traded trucks that maybe I should look at a Ford or Dodge. She said dont
you ever get tired of the same old brand. My answer was that would be like getting tired of you. She said I think you should buy the Chevy LOL. I know that there are alot of good brands out there as good as what I have but I have gotten good service out of my Deeres and they are closer then any other brand to where I live. I also know my salesman and shop people on a 1st name basis and that is worth a lot to me. Same for my Trucks.
 
   / What Brands did you look at, and what did you end up buying? #50  
I went to Kubota. Very large dealer but was a ways a way from me. The salesman just turned my off. I got a rough quote from him but all he could do was bad mouth New Holland. He didn't even mention John Deere. I then looked at a couple of John Deere dealers in the area but was way high compared even to the rough quotes I got from Kubota. I couldn't get over the bad mouthing of the New Holland from the Kubota guy and decided to check out New Holland. A week later I signed on the dotted line.


murph
 

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