aesanders said:
Chuck, what's your opinion of the new Bota's?
I haven't had time to go look at them, but they do look good online.. How would you compare to the Deere's of the same size? You seem to be very unbiased in your opinions, and I always appreciate hearing your thoughts..
I somehow missed this thread lately, so I'm sorry about being slow getting back to you.
I have no real experience with either the Deere, or Kubota tractors this size. With that said, I do have some observations.
The quotes that I received brought the Deere 2320 in at $1700 more than the Kubota
B2320.
There are differences in the tractors that can be important to some people. The bare tractors are very comparable, advantage to the Kubota for the 3 speed hydro I suppose. There is somewhat more seat travel on the Kubota, but the loader control is positioned better on the deere. Power is similar as are weights, and capabilities. The main differences in my eyes start showing up when you add things to the bare tractor. The new Kubota loader is more streamlined, but sacrifices visibility. The arms are close to the tractor, and there are hoses restricting the view of the bucket. Not bad, but not as nice as it could be. Quick change bucket is standard on the Deere, and only available 3rd party on the Kubota. $700-$1000 of the price difference right there if you want to use forks, or a larger bucket for mulch, or snow, etc. Certainly ( I'm assuming here that the same attachments available for the B7x10 series will be available for the B2x20 series) the front mounted attachments for the Kubota are much better mathed size wise than the ones available currently for the Deere. Backhoes for both have identical capacities. The Kubota hoe is more tightly intergrated, and takes up less storage space. Some would argue that it also is easier to install, and remove. It does have only 150 degrees of boom swing though as opposed to the full 180 on the Deere hoe, and that can make a big difference in how easy it is to position the tractor for both digging, and placing the spoils. I find the new three speed hydro on the Kubota to be much quieter, and smoother than the one it replaces, and like that though I am not one that sees the three speeds as a big deal. My land is too rough to mow faster than the low range on a Deere.
To sumarize:
Kubota
loader speed / dual functioning (lift/curl, etc)
nice hydro
intergrated backhoe
price
front mounted attachments
Deere
QC loader buckets, etc.
position control
steering brakes
loader visibility
Equal
ergonomics
mmm ( though too early to be sure)
comfort
nimbleness ( though Deere is less likely to cut turf on turns)
power
reliability
capabilities
I tend to like the larger B Kubota's over the Deere 2520, but that could change with the upcoming 2720