What do you recommend?

   / What do you recommend? #1  

Kamik

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Maine
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John Deere 2520
I've been comparing the 2305-2320-2520 since last fall and am trying to figure out which would best suite my needs. May I leverage your experience and guidance regarding the equipment, tractor and attachments, that I should buy?

Here are my requirements:

1. Small is good - I live in an urban area with less than an acre, and much of that space is constrained with buildings, driveways, sidewalks, fences, etc. So I need something small and manuverable with good visibility all round.

2. Primary purpose is to augment my physical strength landscaping and hardscaping. Digging holes for planting trees and shrubs, trenches for installing electrical wiring. Moving earth to level areas or make berms, or sloping to prepare for retaining walls. Moving mulch, shrubs, small trees. Digging planting holes. Digging post holes for fencing. Moving 5x5 fence posts and fencing rolls.

3. Digging out and moving rocks. A friend with 400 acres will let me harvest rocks from old rock walls for re-use on my property. The walls are very old, broken, buried and overgrown. His property is mostly trees with some open heath and marsh, and is wet until end of July. Soils are primarily clay. We've cut trails throughout the property over the years that are wide enough to drive on, but as is usual in New England, they do have axle-breaking rocks here and therewith a new crop coming up every spring. Very important - the lichens covering the rocks must be minimally damaged. Rollover protection is VERY important. Most of the rocks I expect can be lifted by hand, others with tractor assistance, probably 500-600 lbs max.

4. Plowing, brushing or snowblowing snow (for me and the neighbors of course). We received about 100 inches this year along with sleet, hail and rain, and, usually, the plows leave a 3-4 foot high frozen ice bank blocking the driveway.

5. Possibly mixing concrete in small batches (a 1/2 yard or less at any one time) for manufacturing custom patio blocks.

6. Attachment easy on/off. I envision a mix of 3-point hitch, drawbar (cat.2 ball hitch), possibly a backhoe, and would expect swapping one attachment for another more often than I'd like.

7. Occasional farm mowing, about 5 acres of orchard, open field and woods trails. The grass grows to about 18 inches before it's cut. Hidden rocks, roots, etc. The heath is wet year-round - the soil/vegetation supports one pass, but if you go back again too soon the tractor will get stuck. I'm guessing about the tractor getting stuck based on experience with the gator.

8. Minimal impact on the farm land, as in leave no trace. Once the rocks are harvested I'll re-build the old walls and leave them as orderly as possible. And ideally the traffic back and forth from the work site to the truck might wear down the grass (which will re-grow) but not leave ruts like a skidder might.

9. A trailer to haul it between my place in the city and the farm 20 miles away. Some attachments I'll store in the barn at the farm, others at my house. The trailer will definitely stay at the farm when not in use.

Maybe I need 2 tractors, home and farm, but can only afford one. Which should it be? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Kamik
 
   / What do you recommend? #2  
I would go with the 2320 or 2520, you need some power in a few of the cases so more power for you.
 
   / What do you recommend? #3  
You described your uses, and terrain very well, thanks. I am very familiar with the conditions that you describe, and am with Nuru on this one! I would suggest a 2320 with turfs. I had a Kubota BX22 and sold it because it limited my use in terrain like you describe at the farm. You will find the 2320 surprisingly nimble, and the Kubota B2320 too for that matter. The 2520 does have some extra power for the landscaping chores, but is also a little heavier. You will want to keep the weight as close to the gator as possible, with some wide tires. I think you will need floatation more than traction at the farm, and the traction with the set up I described will be adequate for your chores in the city. Good luck with your choice, and shopping!
 
   / What do you recommend? #4  
ChuckinNH said:
You described your uses, and terrain very well, thanks. I am very familiar with the conditions that you describe, and am with Nuru on this one! I would suggest a 2320 with turfs. I had a Kubota BX22 and sold it because it limited my use in terrain like you describe at the farm. You will find the 2320 surprisingly nimble, and the Kubota B2320 too for that matter. The 2520 does have some extra power for the landscaping chores, but is also a little heavier. You will want to keep the weight as close to the gator as possible, with some wide tires. I think you will need floatation more than traction at the farm, and the traction with the set up I described will be adequate for your chores in the city. Good luck with your choice, and shopping!

take a look at Superturfs/Special Turfs like I have, they make it no problem to run over your grass without digging ruts.
 
   / What do you recommend?
  • Thread Starter
#5  
I went over to a local JD dealer today and sat on all three models of tractor. The 2305 was the most comfortable, followed by the 2520, and had the best forward visibility. Surprisingly, the 2320 was least comfortable - although the platform overall is flat there is a raised middle section so wide that my legs are awkwardly spread apart, placing my feet at an uncomfortable angle of engagement to the hydro pedals and brakes. And instead of getting narrower toward the seat it actually gets wider, leaving very little room for my foot to move around. Do folks with 2320s get charlie-horses in their legs after driving the tractor for a while?

The 2305 was rigged up with a loader and backhoe, causing me to immediately swoon at the sight. So I climbed on and tried to visualize myself at work with it in the woods. Trouble is, I couldn't get the seat to swing around so I could play with the backhoe controls. I just wasn't stong enough and could feel the strain in my back - ugh! I imagine that after a short time digging then moving the tractor forward a bit to re-commence digging that the seat would become a real PITA.

I also laid down on my back and creeped underneath for a good look at undercarriage of each model. Last Saturday there was still 2 feet of snow on the ground and today the ground was dry enough to lay on! The 2305 transmission is very low to the ground and has a filter on the front side just waiting to get snagged. The 2320 is much higher off the ground, with the hydro lines and filter on the sides and tucked up underneath, and the 2520 is completely clear of anything that would get snagged or break off - very nice.

From the rear you can see that the 2320 is definately a hybrid of the 2305 and 2520 and actually looks more fragile than either due to its VERY long axles, almost twice the length of those of the other two. They look too skinny and I wonder how much abuse it would really take from a hard driven backhoe or heavy implement. However, that's not my intent.

Very interesting is the optical illusion of size. All three have essentially the same footprint but the 2520 seems to dwarf the 2305, and to a lesser extent the 2320. I measured carefully with my tape and concluded that the 2520 'seems' bigger due to the tires and extra height off the ground.

So, the 2305 is out due to the low clearance and positioning of the transmission and filter. The 2320 just doesn't feel right due to the platform, although on paper it's specs make it look ideal. It certainly is taller and stronger than the 2305, and beefier where it counts.

The 2520 may be the answer, but gosh it looks big, too big for my city plot once the major project work is done and I'm left doing routine chores that a 2305 could handle. I wonder, can the 2320 tires be mounted on the 2520 without any adverse repercussions?

Kamik
 
   / What do you recommend? #6  
Have you spent any time on the JD website using the JD configurator? You might find the tire option that you're considering listed/offered as part of a new tractor build.

If not, that's a good point of discussion to have with your local JD dealer.

Best of luck in your decision.

AKfish
 
   / What do you recommend? #7  
I read all the things you want to do. What stood out to me was mowing 5 acres. Don't know how often you would do that, but I would not want to do it with anything smaller than a 5' cutter. JC
 
   / What do you recommend? #8  
Sounds like he's goin' for the 2520. Makes more sense as it appears that a backhoe is likely gonna be on his wish-list, shortly, too!?!?!

He'll be able to run a 5' mower with the 2520 as well.

AKfish
 
   / What do you recommend? #9  
Kamik, glad to see someone finally doing research before buying the wrong tractor, you're on the right path and I can't wait to see the outcome. FWIW, if you're seriously considering the 2520, take a minute to think about a 3120 without the belly mower, and get a seperate lawnmower for the cash the belly mower costs. that may make more sense for your purposes. you could keep the lawnmower at home and the tractor at the farm.
 
   / What do you recommend? #10  
JiminGa said:
Kamik, glad to see someone finally doing research before buying the wrong tractor, you're on the right path and I can't wait to see the outcome. FWIW, if you're seriously considering the 2520, take a minute to think about a 3120 without the belly mower, and get a seperate lawnmower for the cash the belly mower costs. that may make more sense for your purposes. you could keep the lawnmower at home and the tractor at the farm.

I would say 2520 too. JiminGa has a good option too, but I would go for the 2520. There probably will be always something that you can do with that unit.
 
   / What do you recommend? #11  
Kamik said:
I went over to a local JD dealer today and sat on all three models of tractor. The 2305 was the most comfortable, followed by the 2520, and had the best forward visibility. Surprisingly, the 2320 was least comfortable - although the platform overall is flat there is a raised middle section so wide that my legs are awkwardly spread apart, placing my feet at an uncomfortable angle of engagement to the hydro pedals and brakes. And instead of getting narrower toward the seat it actually gets wider, leaving very little room for my foot to move around. Do folks with 2320s get charlie-horses in their legs after driving the tractor for a while?

I think you are getting the 2320 mixed up with the 2520. The 2520 has the large center hump. The 2320 and 2305 have the same plastic platform. No hump really at all. The 2320 has a little more tummy room to boot. I'm the complete opposite of you, i.e found the 2320 to be most comfortable of all three (although they were all nice and fairly close.)
 
   / What do you recommend?
  • Thread Starter
#12  
Well, I took a look at the parts catalogs for the 2320 and 2520 and found that both have a 15x10 wheel option, which on the 2320 is used for the 31x13.50 R3 rear tire. Both also have a 12x7JA wheel which on the 2320 is used with the 23x8.50-12 R3 tire.

Interestingly, the 15x10 wheel on the 2520 is part number LVA13904 and on the 2320 is LVA13903. Are they really the same wheel, does the 31x13.50 R3 fit the 2520? One would think that part numbers are consistent across catalogs so I guess I'll visit the dealer and ask. The front wheel for both models has the same part number, LVA13905.

And while I'm at the dealer I think I'll go for a drive and try them both!

Kamik
 
   / What do you recommend? #13  
aesanders said:
I think you are getting the 2320 mixed up with the 2520. The 2520 has the large center hump. The 2320 and 2305 have the same plastic platform. No hump really at all. The 2320 has a little more tummy room to boot. I'm the complete opposite of you, i.e found the 2320 to be most comfortable of all three (although they were all nice and fairly close.)

Not to hijack the thread, but since the topic has come up...

That was my impression as well. I've sat on a 2520 two times, and both times my knee was against the throttle and my thigh was pushing on the loader joystick (yes, the seat was all the way back). I sat on a 2320 once, and it seemed fairly comfortable without interfering with any controls.

Problem is that these tractors are at different dealerships, and not side-by-side. In fact the 2320 was in the shop being rigged for delivery, and is probably not available anymore.

I'm in a similar boat as the OP. I want a small frame tractor for small tractor work. My problem is finding a good one that fits MY frame. If anyone else has any experience in small tractors for big men (6'5", 300 lbs.) I would appreciate the input.
 
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DixieExpat said:
If anyone else has any experience in small tractors for big men (6'5", 300 lbs.) I would appreciate the input.

Deere's are about as roomy a small tractor as you will find. I sat aand operated on just about all small tractors a couple years back when I was looking and they were the most comfortable. I'm a big guy and need all the room I can get, so a roomy platform is one of my highet priorities. Also, all of my prior machines were much larger with nice layouts so I paid particular attention to where everything was placed ke the loader and hydro pedals. Now recently, their have been a couple new models out that I haven't had the pleasure to see. Massey has the GC2400 and GC2600 series subcompacts that look really nice (and roomy), and Kubota has some new small frame tractors also.

I'd be really interested in that Massey GC2610 with Backhoe if I were shopping today.
 
   / What do you recommend? #15  
The operator area, and seat adjustment on the new Kubota B2x20 series is much more roomy than the old ones were. There is a difference in seat travel though between those that have a backhoe mounted, and those that don't. I can't remember which has more. Of the 2000 series JD's, I like the 2320, and 2305 the best for comfort. I'm 6'2" and 220lbs
 
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ChuckinNH said:
The operator area, and seat adjustment on the new Kubota B2x20 series is much more roomy than the old ones were.

Chuck, what's your opinion of the new Bota's?

I haven't had time to go look at them, but they do look good online.. How would you compare to the Deere's of the same size? You seem to be very unbiased in your opinions, and I always appreciate hearing your thoughts..
 
   / What do you recommend? #17  
Thanks for the input. I'm going to have to find both models side by side for a complete fit test and test drive.
 
   / What do you recommend? #18  
I had to drive 2 and a half hours to find them, but I finally got a side by side comparison of the 2520 and 2320. The 2320 has more operator room, no question. I would have liked to have been able to consider the 2520, but the fact that my knee rides the throttle and my thigh presses on the loader joystick pretty much rules it out.

It's not all bad, though. Since I'm looking for an all-in-one for a 10 acre property the 2320 seems to be a good tractor/mower compromise.
 
   / What do you recommend? #19  
As far as the legroom/joystick etc, when I got my 2520, the joystick adjustment was out of whack and i had the same issue. I adjusted it (joystick position) and it's good to go now. I'm 6'4" and have no legroom issues, and my knee doesn't crowd the throttle at all.
 
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aesanders said:
Chuck, what's your opinion of the new Bota's?

I haven't had time to go look at them, but they do look good online.. How would you compare to the Deere's of the same size? You seem to be very unbiased in your opinions, and I always appreciate hearing your thoughts..

I somehow missed this thread lately, so I'm sorry about being slow getting back to you.

I have no real experience with either the Deere, or Kubota tractors this size. With that said, I do have some observations.
The quotes that I received brought the Deere 2320 in at $1700 more than the Kubota B2320.
There are differences in the tractors that can be important to some people. The bare tractors are very comparable, advantage to the Kubota for the 3 speed hydro I suppose. There is somewhat more seat travel on the Kubota, but the loader control is positioned better on the deere. Power is similar as are weights, and capabilities. The main differences in my eyes start showing up when you add things to the bare tractor. The new Kubota loader is more streamlined, but sacrifices visibility. The arms are close to the tractor, and there are hoses restricting the view of the bucket. Not bad, but not as nice as it could be. Quick change bucket is standard on the Deere, and only available 3rd party on the Kubota. $700-$1000 of the price difference right there if you want to use forks, or a larger bucket for mulch, or snow, etc. Certainly ( I'm assuming here that the same attachments available for the B7x10 series will be available for the B2x20 series) the front mounted attachments for the Kubota are much better mathed size wise than the ones available currently for the Deere. Backhoes for both have identical capacities. The Kubota hoe is more tightly intergrated, and takes up less storage space. Some would argue that it also is easier to install, and remove. It does have only 150 degrees of boom swing though as opposed to the full 180 on the Deere hoe, and that can make a big difference in how easy it is to position the tractor for both digging, and placing the spoils. I find the new three speed hydro on the Kubota to be much quieter, and smoother than the one it replaces, and like that though I am not one that sees the three speeds as a big deal. My land is too rough to mow faster than the low range on a Deere.
To sumarize:
Kubota
loader speed / dual functioning (lift/curl, etc)
nice hydro
intergrated backhoe
price
front mounted attachments

Deere
QC loader buckets, etc.
position control
steering brakes
loader visibility

Equal
ergonomics
mmm ( though too early to be sure)
comfort
nimbleness ( though Deere is less likely to cut turf on turns)
power
reliability
capabilities

I tend to like the larger B Kubota's over the Deere 2520, but that could change with the upcoming 2720
 

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