what on earth does electricity cost near you?

[mrmikey]

Here's my bill, average of 0.18kwh. That's bad enough but the $19 a month for the base sucks. It just went up 80% about 6-8 months ago. I think the kwh rate is going up 2.5% in April.

 

[jyoutz]

My bill always averages $200/month. We do not have an all electric house, but the power sucking culprits are the 2hp deep well pump, and the fact that there are more freezers than cars in the garage.

 

[jyoutz]

A fireplace will suck more heat out of your house than it will put in. Have you ever heated with wood? There's much work involved. Cutting, splitting, hauling, lifting several times.

A fireplace yes. An efficient wood stove, no.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

@MinnesotaEric that sounds great! Thanks for the tip on the seals. Can you elaborate a bit on the nitrogen / vacuum purge process as to why it is particularly important for the Hyper heat systems? (I thought dry was important for all HVAC...)

All the best, Peter

Most of these mini-split systems ship with the 410A refrigerant already in them for a given amount of line held within the condenser (the part that sits outside). The amount of refrigerant is normally enough for up to 25' of line (1/4" high side and 3/8" low side lines).

Anyway, once the system is set up, you set up your HVAC manifold and then pull vacuum. I use a 2-stage vacuum pump on building HVAC systems (single stage is fine for vehicles, but DO NOT MIX refrigerant types and tools). Once you've pulled vacuum, the system is then pressurized with nitrogen. Nitrogen does two things:

1) You're testing for leaks. With the sun and temperature changes you can expect some minor pressure variation, but you're looking for leaks either with soapy bubbles or an ultrasonic leak tester.
2) The nitrogen dries out any residual humidity left in the system. The super high efficiency systems want you to cycle three nitrogen cycles while pulling full vacuum in between to hit their efficiency ratings.

Once the system is checked for leaks, dried out, and vacuum pulled again, you close off your HVAC manifold and open up the condenser* to fill the system with the refrigerant using an Allen wrench.

In the photo below, I'm testing for leaks and I've got a ball valve on the vacuum side because my fancy-dancy manifold decided to leak at one of its shut-off valves so I used a back-up manifold.

This is what a good flare looks like, but again, they are "chinsey" compared to more robust flares, so I use those silicon washer gasket thingies to prevent leaks. Also, a guy can get lines that come with insolation on them which is a time saver. You'll still want to put the lines inside of a protective cover system and there are piles of different kinds as you can see from this link to Amazon.

* for the HVAC guys, I know the outside portion of the heat pump acts as a condenser when making chilly air, and acts as a evaporator when making warm air.

 

[ponytug]

@MinnesotaEric Thanks!

All the best, Peter

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

Residential: (200a panel or less)
- monthly fixed charge C$9.46 / U$6.62
- cost of power C$0.09587 per kWh / U$0.067109 per kWh


residential buildings on single phase over 200 amp, commercial single phase buildings and 3 phase pay higher fixed monthly but usage rates are lower the more you use.

 

[3930dave]

A fireplace yes. An efficient wood stove, no.

If I build another place, an outdoor wood-boiler is a serious consideration. They can work well, and I'd expect a lower insurance premium than burning wood indoors. A # of years back, I was impressed with the Portage and Main boiler I saw at a farm show - wasn't "blingey" compared to some others (my preference usually), and had very good build quality.

Nice post Eric, I like mini's too.....

Rgds, D.

 

[JJT]

$.21/kwhr, about equally split between delivery fees and electric cost.

 

[Axing]

0,07/kwh in USD But then I have to pay rent of the power line, it costs 227usd a month

Sir, may I ask, what is the rent of a power line?

 

[Axing]

The electricity bill in my hometown is 0.52 RMB per kilowatt hour

 

[DarkBlack]

Here's my bill, average of 0.18kwh. That's bad enough but the $19 a month for the base sucks. It just went up 80% about 6-8 months ago. I think the kwh rate is going up 2.5% in April.
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I always look at the total resulting cost. In your case it looks like an average cost of 22.8 cents/kwh.
About the same as here

 

[kenmbz]

The electricity bill in my hometown is 0.52 RMB per kilowatt hour

.07 USD , not bad. What city ?
And can we see a picture of your tractor? Lovol sounds interesting. Not something we have available by me in Pennsylvania.

 

[mrmikey]

I always look at the total resulting cost. In your case it looks like an average cost of 22.8 cents/kwh.
About the same as here

That's true if you use approximately the same amount. What really ticked me off was when they raised the rates awhile back everyone was up in arms. No one made a peep about the flat rate almost doubling. My garage bill now is around $50-$60 every two months. It was around <$35-$45.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

Another thing to look at are add on fees. in VT, not only is the rate pretty high, but because of the Efficiency Vermont Program, that subsidizes all kinds of energy saving products, mainly through rebates, they add on a fee, based on your electricity use, to give away to those who apply for rebates. All part of them trying to be "green". They have a plan, and are "taxing" all of us to get there. They are after fossil fuels too, trying to add another tax on home heating oil, to force people to stop using it. All the do gooders, who have money, trying to force those who can't afford to switch, to switch.

 

[Axing]

.07 USD , not bad. What city ?
And can we see a picture of your tractor? Lovol sounds interesting. Not something we have available by me in Pennsylvania.

My hometown is Laibin City, Guangxi, China

If you want to see more Chinese tractor video pictures, I think there will be many export versions on YouTube, and if you want to see the Chinese domestic version, you may need to enter Chinese to search

Like 雷沃 东方红 东风 常发农装
You can copy it to your browser and search, and you may be able to search for the domestic version of agricultural machinery in China

 

[kenmbz]

My hometown is Laibin City, Guangxi, China

If you want to see more Chinese tractor video pictures, I think there will be many export versions on YouTube, and if you want to see the Chinese domestic version, you may need to enter Chinese to search

Like 雷沃 东方红 东风 常发农装
You can copy it to your browser and search, and you may be able to search for the domestic version of agricultural machinery in China

Thanks Axing, never been in that area of China. Do you farm and if so, what do you grow.
And welcome to TBN.

 

[ultrarunner]

My hometown is Laibin City, Guangxi, China

If you want to see more Chinese tractor video pictures, I think there will be many export versions on YouTube, and if you want to see the Chinese domestic version, you may need to enter Chinese to search

Like 雷沃 东方红 东风 常发农装
You can copy it to your browser and search, and you may be able to search for the domestic version of agricultural machinery in China

What do you pay for electricity in China

 

[Carl_NH]

^^^ See post 572 .52 RMB or 7 cents

 

[3930dave]

Another thing to look at are add on fees. in VT, not only is the rate pretty high, but because of the Efficiency Vermont Program, that subsidizes all kinds of energy saving products, mainly through rebates, they add on a fee, based on your electricity use, to give away to those who apply for rebates. All part of them trying to be "green". They have a plan, and are "taxing" all of us to get there. They are after fossil fuels too, trying to add another tax on home heating oil, to force people to stop using it. All the do gooders, who have money, trying to force those who can't afford to switch, to switch.

I call them Fairy-Tale Fees, and they are pretty much Everywhere.....

First Thought.... general Tax Grab, and it is that, but there is much more in-play. There is one graph in Epstein's book that sums it up well.... suffice to say, it comes down to making ALL forms of Energy much more expensive. If you haven't read it, I'd highly recommend that you do - well researched and presented.

https://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Future-Flourishing-Requires-Gas-Not/dp/0593420411

Rgds, D.

 

[Axing]

Thanks Axing, never been in that area of China. Do you farm and if so, what do you grow.
And welcome to TBN.

Thank you for your welcome
Because my hometown is located in the south, most of them are planting sugarcane, but also corn and peanuts, and now it is popular to grow chili peppers, and paddy fields are generally planted with rice, and now most young people will go to Guangdong Province to work, so many places have changed to eucalyptus, on the land where sugarcane was originally planted